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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by kuschkufan »

SonOfKyuss wrote: post #147
apexalpha wrote: post #61

From Europe, so not as much skin in the game as others here. But jeez the Democratic party needs to new leadership. And I don't mean Harris or whoever, but the party leadership itself. The gaslighting in the past year about Bidens age was insane to watch. Literally asking people to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

> Literally asking people to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears I mean, it seems to be a winning strategy for the other party.

Not a convincing argument, but a testament to low standards. Also, Whataboutism.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by andrewinardeer »

echelon wrote: post #17
caminante wrote: post #9

Shouldn't he resign and let Kamala step in?

Ordinarily, yes. But she doesn't poll well with a lot of key demographics due to her tough on crime stance as a DA. Making her president would mean she'd be the presumptive nominee, and I think the party has more optimal choices lined up. This election will come down to four battleground states. Those are the only states and battles that matter.

I hate to say it yet I don't think she's polling well because even in 2024 I don't think America is ready to allow a woman of colour be POTUS.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mk89 »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #29
strangelove026 wrote: post #8

Dannnnnng. I think it's definitely for the best (probably never should've come to this, reminds me of RBG). And that said I really, really liked his presidency, but, he is undeniably really old.

The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

I say this as someone that agrees that Biden should have stepped down earlier (for the 2nd election I mean).

But please, people, do not compare the average person in their 80's to what this man has to do daily.

Just alone entering a war room and giving an order to bomb a place, or watching the raw videos of war (which we luckily don't get access to) is something you don't come back from. This is not an average person, and he was doing OK after all.

However, he objectively got older. That's it. No coming back from that either...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by nozzlegear »

purple_ferret wrote: post #88
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

Unfortunately his domestic achievements have been somewhat mediocre. His signature achievements essentially were one time cash payments to people. I really do think his major failure was not pushing for a lasting achievement like implementing federal parental leave. He had the chance, but opted for a 1 year extension of child tax credits. And of course the US has an illegal immigration problem. European right on the…

Genuine question: is the European right actually on the rise? It seems somewhat localized to France, where Macron just unexpectedly outmaneuvered both Le Pen's party and the left coalition that formed to counter Le Pen, securing himself a surprise victory in the snap election everyone thought would be a disaster for him. In the EU as a whole, Ursula von der Leyen just won another 5 years as the President of the European Commission, which seems like a continuation of the status quo in the EU rather than a turn toward the right.

This is all from my naive perspective as an American.

Edit: I'd appreciate a reply instead of a downvote. As I said, I'm asking a genuine question.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by stemlord »

_l7dh wrote: post #136
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

This is a very partial view. A good number of people, including American democrats were disgusted by his unwavering support to the current genocide in Gaza. Many believe he could have stopped it with a phone call and explicitly refused. I know many who swore they would not vote for him, regardless of the circumstances.

You're saying you know democrats who would rather accept trump over biden?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by timeon »

RickJWagner wrote: post #106
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by camel_Snake »

daseiner1 wrote: post #52
Sajarin wrote: post #25

> It’s a miracle, folks. Donald told the truth for once. It’s the most important election of our lifetimes. And I will win it. Curiously, his tweet from just 18 hours ago seemed like he was still in the race. I wonder what changed.

The timing of Joe Manchin declining to endorse this morning certainly correlates.

I think the Sheldon Brown announcing he should step down was far, far more impactful. Joe Manchin isn't nationally relevant nor a Democrat anymore.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by stemlord »

joshcsimmons wrote: post #145
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

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>most of the major cities here are no longer safe

This is practically verbatim conservative news propaganda

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by nozzlegear »

_l7dh wrote: post #136
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

This is a very partial view. A good number of people, including American democrats were disgusted by his unwavering support to the current genocide in Gaza. Many believe he could have stopped it with a phone call and explicitly refused. I know many who swore they would not vote for him, regardless of the circumstances.

> Many believe he could have stopped it with a phone call and explicitly refused.

This seems to take all of the culpability, motive and free will away from Netanyahu. I'm not saying Biden couldn't make that call, but why do we assume Bibi would have actually stopped if so?

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