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Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Which part sounds like fascism? The Awami League is ideologically a center-left party, it's not far right. The quota system that's being protested offers employment quotas to descendants of revolutionaries and minorities. It was the party that founded Bangladesh. Protests are occurring because of the corruption and joblessness that results from these quotas and because the law was overturned earlier but reinstated. M…

> The Middle East If Bangladesh is the "Middle East" then so is Burma/Myanmar and Thailand (which is at most 200 miles from the Bangladesh border)

In English, Bangladesh is not Middle East. In German, it is. Israel is Near East from our perspective.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittlerer_Osten

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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I'm very uninformed about Bangladeshi and South Asian politics but yes the violent suppression of protests and killing of protestors are the parts that sound a bit fascist to me.

Look I realize on lefty parts of the internet that fascism has colloquially become the same as authoritarianism but they are not the same thing. Fascist movements are usually authoritarian but not all authoritarian regimes are fascist. It's an especially bad lens when you look outside the West because the second and third world has had plenty of trouble with left authoritarian regimes and comparatively less trouble w…

> Fascist movements are usually authoritarian but not all authoritarian regimes are fascist.

A simple example would be hundreds of years of authoritarian monarchies and theocracies. Nobody wants to retroactively label them as Fascist, and for good reason.

I prefer the "Palingenetic Ultranationalism" definition [0], where fascism is largely distinguished by what myths and stories people are using to demand power.

Often along the lines of: "Not too long ago This Nation was the best, but not anymore. There is one and only one chance to fix it, which will require a destructive resurrection that only Pure People Leaders can do. You have to give them all the power right now or else everything will be bad forever because impure people somehow."

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalis...

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Though I like your humbleness, there are more countries and visitors on HN from other countries than the USA and Bangladesh.

Well... the UKs Tories have been a corrupt shitshow for the last decade. Germany's President Steinmeier was involved in the Murat Kurnaz mess (an Afghani dude wrongly imprisoned in Guantanamo), the Chancellor in the Cum Ex tax-cheating scandal, and the opposition parties are taking lessons from Trump in rhetoric tactics. Italy's government is composed of a literal post-fascist party whose youth openly glorifies Musso…

And this comparable to Bangladesh? And these are all countries in the West?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

I'd call it a US-manipulated military oligarchy with a democratic facade:

https://theintercept.com/2023/06/05/imran-khan-interview/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/10/did-us-ask-for-imra...

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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I'm very uninformed about Bangladeshi and South Asian politics but yes the violent suppression of protests and killing of protestors are the parts that sound a bit fascist to me.

Look I realize on lefty parts of the internet that fascism has colloquially become the same as authoritarianism but they are not the same thing. Fascist movements are usually authoritarian but not all authoritarian regimes are fascist. It's an especially bad lens when you look outside the West because the second and third world has had plenty of trouble with left authoritarian regimes and comparatively less trouble w…

> the second and third world has had plenty of trouble with left authoritarian regimes and comparatively less trouble with fascism and authoritarian right regimes.

fake news

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

I'd call it a US-manipulated military oligarchy with a democratic facade: https://theintercept.com/2023/06/05/imran-khan-interview/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/10/did-us-ask-for-imra...

You seem to have confused Pakistan for Bangladesh. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Is meshnet technology currently feasible/cheap enough that it could be used to work around an internet shutdown in a country with very high population density like Bangladesh?

You would need to educate the masses first on how to use this stuff. And you end up sort of carrying an active beacon around. Which probably isn't a great strategy if you want to hide in plain sight of people empowered to just shoot you on sight.

Most phones don't have a huge range in any case. So, covering a wide area with a mesh network would be very vulnerable against repression. Just take out all the nodes that you can detect. If your phone picks them up, the suspect is within line of sight probably.

Technology has very few answers to repressive regimes like this. Mostly people get afraid and refrain from using the things that might get them in jail and self police. That also breeds trust issues. The DDR regime ultimately got children to rat out their relatives. Modern repressive regimes are learning from each other as well when it comes to identifying and neutralizing pockets of resistance. The Bangladesh playbook was perfected by the Chinese, Iran, Myanmar, etc.

Usually those regimes only end when people get hungry and angry enough. As long as you keep the economy going, regimes can last a long time. And of course North Korea perfected the art of repressing a starving nation. So even that is not a show stopper.

We're not at zero risk of regressing into living under oppressive regimes like that. I live in Germany where the scars of communism and fascism are still very visible. It only takes some rogue fools to win an election to roll back the clock a century.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

Thank you, the news article was suspiciously stingy on these salient details.

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Ideally protests should be peaceful. When there's no consequences for bad authoritarian behavior, you get more of it. Your plea for law and order is (probably inadvertently) a plea for the ongoing dominance of the established order. If it's peaceful only because everyone is afraid or unable to resist, then what you have is a police state. And in authoritarian societies like that, peaceful protest doesn't make any pos…

Both sides of the political spectrum are authoritarian. Each dominant party will do whatever in their power to hold onto it. That said, law and order is needed to sustain the population. The pop density of BD is incredible - imagine half the population of US crammed into the state of New York. Systems and processes were what BD out of being considered a “basket case “ as Henry Kissinger (?) once famously called it. A…

You can equally argue the government is not mature enough to recognize the validity of their protest and is violently oppressing them, leading to predictable further violence. If the government are so well-informed and wise in the ways of the world, why are they engaged on such a self-destructive course?

Re: Bangladesh imposes curfew after dozens killed in anti-government protests

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Some context: Students are protesting to reform the quota system. Which was abolished in 2018 after protest but recently brought back again. The Quota system basically reserves 56% of public sector jobs, i.e. 30% to relatives of war veteran. The war happened in 1971. To get public job and avail the quota, it must be their 3rd or 4th generation now. Which is plain unfair. But it’s not about that, the gov loyalists and…

Why are you seething about this from the other side of the world?

You are presumably an intelligent person, but you, and everyone else that could, left your home country for economic opportunities elsewhere. Now, your home country is administrated and governed by the people without the opportunity to leave and you are on the other side of the world.

I think it is extremely weird to see the people with the best opportunity to reshape their country leave and then from overseas complain about the politics in that country.

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