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Panic at the Job Market

matt.sh

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> Then, of course, you get rejected under some false pretense of “not having enough experience” when you’re trying to promote developing fixes to their seemingly decaying platform ^4

>> 4 There’s a continual disconnect where people with experience can see problems then construct easy and rapid to implement solutions, but people with less experience think every little bug fix is a “we don’t have time to stop the world for 6 months so we can never fix anything!” problem. We get excited to fix problems because we see fixing problems is tractable and we can implement these fixes in days instead of months as opposed to others don’t understand how everything works. It’s amazing how the simple practice of just doing the work solves many problems sooner than many people think is possible.

I didn't expect a mind reading today. It's kind of cathartic to read about someone experiencing similar problems and know that it's just a people thing after all, the tech really doesn't exist, just the individuals doing it.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#162
Platform engineering is totally different from "business logic engineering".

App dev JS created real value with correct application architecture, or you could think in "clean code". It's real value.

For platform, why reinventing or betting on new wheels at the cost of knowing nothing about it. Or you could say, just rent the house instead of architecting yourself for your new expensive house, so that we focus on other tasks.

"Knowing enough to be dangerous" now is a thing to pass cloud certification for most of the time, and it's not a pointless thing to do. It's a foundation at least.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#163
> Now I’ve got nothing to show of my life of work, while other people who just picked a better company to work at 20 years ago and never left have been growing their wealth by a couple million dollars per year every year for almost their entire career, all working as just some rando middle manager at multi-trillion-dollar companies.

The authors repeated insistence on incredibly inflated salary numbers makes me question if I'm on the outside of some inside joke

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#164
What a brilliant breakdown of so many concepts. Great read! The author has distilled a lot of experience into an insightful article with years of "read between the lines" wisdom gained.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

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I generally like the article but the author seems to have a really inflated view of what jobs are paying. At one point he’s claiming that a stable non tech company like a tractor manufacturer is paying 5k-10k. Even assuming that’s including taxes so divide by two, and constraining to just software employees for that claim. There is no way the average pay is nearly a million a year. The average software engineer in th…

It's absurd. He has no concept of market rates (and frankly I'm unsurprised that he's not getting hired if his expectations are this out of whack). His resume even confirms this[0], because he seemingly thinks the appropriate level at FAANG would be L10 which is extremely rare . There is a 0% chance that his experience would level him that high. The entire article can be chocked up to a massively inflated sense of en…

He took 2012-2013, and 2016-2021 off work to travel? That large of a gap doesn't look great on a resume. He basically worked half or less of the 2010s? Ridiculous.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#166

I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…

All of his analysis about financial markets, can apply to all jobs, all hiring. Don't think he explicitly states that, but all hiring is down. Or at least all entry positions it seems like. From a SWE perspective. Doesn't it seem like systems are falling apart? You can only cut back programmer/tech jobs for so long, someone has to know how it all works. This is what I don't get, all around me, people don't know how t…

I read an assumption there, that if a company hires more tech people, the situation of its systems will improve. This contradicts the tao of programming, from which I quote:

The manager asked the Master: "How long will it take to design this system if I assign five programmers to it?"

"It will take one year," said the Master promptly.

"But we need this system immediately or even sooner! How long will it take if I assign ten programmers to it?"

The Master Programmer frowned. "In that case, it will take two years."

"And what if I assign a hundred programmers to it?"

The Master Programmer shrugged. "Then the design will never be completed," he said.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#167
I enjoyed this, but I can offer an anecdotal correction: this person does not know what the Amazon bar raiser interviews are like (or at least, used to be like 10 years ago). They're not behavioral interviews. They're more like "lateral thinking" interviews, like: here's an abstract problem, what ways can you think of to tackle it? And then drilling into the details to see if you're just making up fluff or you can solve actual problems on the fly. Not saying they're necessarily the best format, and rarely is this the day-to-day skill that a software engineer needs, but they do somewhat pick up on an abstract and hard to measure quality of "wisdom" which is very valuable to the job but otherwise had to detect in programming interviews.

(IMO it is not possible to over-index on "wisdom" when hiring someone. It's a vastly more useful quality in a coworker than "intelligence" is, at least once a baseline is hit.)

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#168

I will add my two cents for people who believe that this might be related only to the SWE and tangent industries: It's really not. I have many friends (in Europe) who are trying to get through to different jobs in unrelated industries ranging from finance to fashion, or just trying to get promoted vertically (or horizontally), failing rather miserably. Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideratio…

> I have many friends (in Europe)

EU kind of in a recession though. And there's a well known link between interest rates and unemployment. So it's really not surprising to hear that employment in the EU is harder after the ECB raised rates. And good news: they're lowering them now.

What really needs explaining is why, despite the unusually strong general US job market[1] for several years now, the US tech market specifically has been seeing layoffs and hiring freezes. The answer seems to be "interest rates" but a proper explanation (which I didn't find skimming the article) needs to cover why tech is more influenced by that than say travel & leisure sectors.

Personally, while I think interest rates play a role at the margins, the author did himself no favors by benchmarking tech hiring at Feb 2020. Jan 2020 and the months before were relatively normal, but the pandemic put this tech hiring into overdrive, going from ~70 to ~220 on that chart. If you do three years worth of hiring in one single year, eventually you need to pause, and the interest rates hikes were the pause signal. Since this happened while every other sector was basically on government mandated furlough, it helps explain why the tech sector looks so different than the others in 2024.

Re: Panic at the Job Market

#169
post #86

Hiring people (mostly engineers) has been my full-time job now for about 15 years and I found myself emphatically agreeing with a lot of Matt's criticisms of modern hiring. Most tech interviews are as relevant to job performance as if hiring a baker required interviewing them about how electron orbitals bind worked gluten together then rejecting bakers who don’t immediately draw a valid orbital configuration. Matt's…

> Most tech interviews are as relevant to job performance as if hiring a baker required interviewing them about how electron orbitals bind worked gluten together then rejecting bakers who don’t immediately draw a valid orbital configuration. That's the thing now. That's how they interview for bakers

After working under them for two decades I’ve come to realize GenX is gripped and captivated not by traditional religious story, but recent American history.

I’m early 40s, of the Xennial persuasion and mostly work with under 35 year olds now. The number of under 35s who openly admit they don’t believe any of this bullshit about tech, who see it as just marketing and advertising is wild to me. GenZ are way different people than GenX who mumble something about the greatness of capitalism unironically and just shuffle over to their laptop and ignore how tired they are of pretending their make work job updating some SQL is the future of technology; Hiro Protagonist and Capt Kirk are their spirit animals

GenX just the latest middle management to demand the kids likewise fill the hole in their souls with boring API config and repetitive leetcode to addict people to screen use, a toxic energy hog.

Line must go up! The catechism’s and chants of MBAified American Civic Life: The Religion must be recited! No physics demands this routine of is just socialized ramble, so it’s religious belief in that it’s decoupled from reality outside us. It’s tribal nonsense

It’s super corny obsession with pop culture memes of the last 50 years, outdated belief ST:TNG is right around the corner if we believe hard enough

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