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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by acka »

nkrisc wrote: post #108
somat wrote: post #86

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You are not wrong and I agree with you that this sort of bullshit is laughably unacceptable. Unfortunately nothing opt in ever gets wide adoption. So I expect to keep seeing these sort of infernal acts as people get bright but misguided ideas that require broad adoption to work. for example googles wifi cataloging does not work at all if to get cataloged you have to put "_cataloged" in your ssid.

> Unfortunately nothing opt in ever gets wide adoption. Too fucking bad for them. This opt-out bullshit for everything like this, marketing emails, etc. is bullshit. I’m sick of it.

Don't forget the website cookie popup tomfoolery, where you must study each and every popup carefully lest you click the wrong button to opt out.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by hunter2_ »

SoftTalker wrote: post #123
utensil4778 wrote: post #28

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It should be entirely socially acceptable to respond to any trivial message with "ACKNOWLEDGED" á la Picard

Why do you need to respond at all? The phone tells you that the message has been delivered, and if you didn't ask a question or otherwise request a response why would there be any obligation to do so?

A delivery receipt, an automatic read receipt, and a human ack are quite distinct. The first means the device will offer it to a user who eventually looks. The second means the device expects that the user saw it. The third means the user definitely saw and understood it.

It's rarely obligatory (unless the sender literally requests an ack) but is more to offer a data point just in case it happens to be useful. In some cases it will definitely be useful, like to unblock something that can't proceed until the sender knows you've been briefed. For example, if I tell my kids they can stay out later than 10pm any night if I know about it, then even if they message me saying they'll be out late tonight, actually staying out late is blocked by my ack. Of course, this could just be turned into a yes/no question awaiting my answer, but that would be silly considering that I only say yes; they're not soliciting a decision from me, just acknowledgement.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by lostlogin »

maeil wrote: post #158
crimsonnoodle58 wrote: post #126

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Yep. My WiFi has had _optout_nomap ever since it was introduced. People always ask me why and I've never seen another SSID with it included.

Come over to my place and we can possibly be the first people ever to bond over their home wifi SSIDs ;)

My Unifi setup has whitelisted devices. Everything else is completely crippled on the WiFi.

I’m happy for how easy it is to do this.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by bschwindHN »

xyst wrote: post #142

Apple added the same thing for iMessage/SMS. It worked as expected if the group message was all Apple users. But if you were the unfortunate person outside the ecosystem, you would get spammed with ‘{person} liked “{message}”’. In some cases, people would react to the reaction leading to some ridiculous chains of text.

I like how you word this in the past tense, it still happens to this day. I live outside the states but keep a google voice number and in my family's group chat I still get these all the time. I've mostly (miraculously) moved them to Signal, but they revert to their SMS ways occasionally.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by lkramer »

shiroiushi wrote: post #85
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #58

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Sure but you turning it off doesn't occur in a vacuum. Slack is a communication program. Either it then has to disregard reactions from other people, which is potentially a situation where someone will acknowledge your message and you will not be notified of that fact, or they then have to simply prevent reactions on any messages you yourself send, which is going to prompt a question from the coworkers using the spac…

Slack should add an option to disable reactions for people like this. However, since the sender is expecting their reaction to be seen, Slack should then replace the reaction with a text message matching the reaction: "Ok emoji", "Thumbs up emoji", "Smile face emoji", etc. so that the reaction doesn't just disappear and the intended recipient sees it.

They kinda do this. If you disable emojis, you get their text representation. It's can be misleading because the text representation sometimes diverge from what the user thinks the emoji means.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by vladvasiliu »

plorg wrote: post #136
kelnos wrote: post #129

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I do wonder how much it actually does improve location accuracy on phones. Certainly if you have no GPS signal at all it'll give you something rather than nothing, but if you do have GPS, does it really improve things?

At my workplace it used to identify my location as various places within a 300 mile radius of my actual location correlating (at best) to places where our ISP had a footprint, but sometimes even places that it didn't. In any case I had never connected to to our WiFi with my phone, so it would have to be correlating the IPs of users who had. I eventually found a place where you could submit location services correctio…

Ever since "private relay" became available on my iphone (which I don't disable even when at home), whenever I get on google maps on my PC (so not going through the private relay) google maps always shows me in random cities hundreds of miles away.

Maybe this has been useful when introduced, but I'm not convinced it still is the case.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by lkramer »

snapcaster wrote: post #45

Can an anti-reaction person explain what they find so distasteful about them? Is it that the other person wasn't willing to make the effort to type is seen as disrespectful? struggling to see what the problem is

I am not anti reaction as such, especially when it's just a thumbs up, although I very seldom use it myself.

However I really struggle with emojis as a general concept. I don't understand a lot of them, and it seems people put a lot of hidden meaning into them that I have to interpret, and I feel the cognitive load is a lot bigger than if people would just type out what the fuck they are trying to say.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by vladvasiliu »

verandaguy wrote: post #115
dijit wrote: post #94

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Well, actually Apple is doing something similar, and it's opt-in. If you have a contact, they are in their settings, and they're nearby and they can see your wifi network, a prompt will appear on your phone which asks if you would like to share wifi credentials with them. There's some foolery going on to stop it popping up if you're using the device normally, like you have to be in settings or the home screen - or re…

It's opt in for the person with the option to share network credentials. It's not opt-in for the owner of the network, who should really have a say in the matter. I do use this feature from time to time, but it's typically on networks where either I'm the owner, or the owner's given me permission to share the creds. This also opens up an attack surface (which I got to experience firsthand on a burner device at DEF CO…

> where someone spoofs an Apple device requesting network creds

How does this work? Isn't there any verification done through iCloud or something? I don't expect my phone to know about all my contacts' iphone identifiers.

I just tried this the other day with my cousin's wife whose phone number I don't have stored in my contacts and it didn't offer to share the wifi password until we both added each other's number.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by rightbyte »

joelthelion wrote: post #168

In an outlook only company, reactions make a ton of sense. They save tons of "great, thank you " emails. Of course you can still send real thank you emails when you're genuinely thankful!

The UI to spot the 'reaction' is really bad though. I got a mail to my work Outlook which was some kind of daily digest with the thumbs up.
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