Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

Post by enriquto » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 11:33 AM UTC

awesomekling wrote: post #77

F3nd0 wrote: post #38

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Congratulations on the kick-off! Now that Ladybird is no longer a part of SerenityOS, will you consider a switch to a licence which not only grants, but also protects user freedoms (e.g. the GPL, MPL, EUPL)? Also, any thoughts on having official communication channels on some open, freedom-respecting platforms, rather than Discord only?

Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with. Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a prag…

Post by fouc » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 11:34 AM UTC

Sammi wrote: post #91

no_time wrote: post #2

Looks like the website of a startup that wants my email so they can "get back to me with a quote". Such soulless corpo design is not befitting of a project this nice.

I sorry to say this, but the new visual style is completely charmless. The most important thing a non-profit oss project needs is a charming visual style. A ladybird for instance is an extremely charming little bug, and it was such a strong choice. This new style is a huge step back compared to it.

Post by ykonstant » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 11:39 AM UTC

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That's the unique value proposition of Ladybird. It uses the open standards as the jumping point, investigates and de facto documents the divergence of modern browsers from them. It is a precious and important work.

How is knowing where the published standards diverge from de facto standards precious and important work? You say that's where the value is, but the subset of people and organizations who would pay for that (if it's valuable, people will pay, right?) has to be pretty small.

Post by jampekka » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 11:41 AM UTC

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KHTML was the basis for Chrome and Safari. A valid concern

Chrome in itself is not the problem. Competition is good. Firefox is better now thanks to Chrome. Neither is Safari. Safari is actually part of the solution. Safari has saved Firefox and other browsers by being the only option on iOS for a long time and a better choice for many (because of battery usage) on Mac OS. Without Safari I am afraid we would all be locked into Chrome now. The problem is that Google, like Mic…

Post by kamov » Tue, Jul 02, 2024, 11:42 AM UTC

awesomekling wrote: post #144

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> we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain. ...We are actively evaluating a number of alternatives and will be adding a mature successor language to the project in the near future. This process is already quite far along, and prototypes exist in multiple languages. What languages have prototypes and where can I learn more?

We have not been debating this publicly as it has a 100% chance of devolving into a bikeshed discussion :)