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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by saagarjha »

pfdietz wrote: post #126

It's a shame xenon is an anesthetic. If it did not have that effect, one could pressure xenon until it was the same density as the body. It would still be a gas, and one could include some oxygen in it so one wouldn't suffocate (although breathing could be more laborious, perhaps require mechanical support). Suspended in this gas, one could be subjected to much higher acceleration without injury, up the point that de…

This would require at least 150 atmospheres of pressure: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%281+g%2Fcm%5E3%29%2F%2.... You’re definitely well into the “would quickly kill a human” territory.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by [deleted] »

cannonpr wrote: post #92

I find a lot of these casual drug use articles to be a bit naive on safety. “It does not cause metabolites or react” well it obviously modifies several biochemical processes in order to have an effect, who knows what long term effects it has on your brains computation. Our understanding of the biochemical interactions of various systems is still exceedingly immature. It’s best to say that from a safety perspective it…

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by indoordin0saur »

pfdietz wrote: post #126

It's a shame xenon is an anesthetic. If it did not have that effect, one could pressure xenon until it was the same density as the body. It would still be a gas, and one could include some oxygen in it so one wouldn't suffocate (although breathing could be more laborious, perhaps require mechanical support). Suspended in this gas, one could be subjected to much higher acceleration without injury, up the point that de…

Could you achieve this same effect suspended in a tank of water with a breathing mask?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by indoordin0saur »

golergka wrote: post #155
cess11 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a potent dissociative, you'll black out before you reach concentrations required for this purpose.

You're in a rocket on top of thousands of tons of explosives, everything runs automatically, there's terrifying noise all around and you don't control anything. Blacking out in dissociative euphoria still sounds like a feature, not a bug to me.

Sounds like you don't like a good time :-P

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by ossobuco »

racional wrote: post #140
ossobuco wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The phrase "Slava Ukraini" predates the OUN by actual decades > Comparing it to "Sieg Heil" is utterly disingenuous. LOL I'll introduce you to the fact that Sieg Heil originated in Germany around the 1900, way before the nazis got the power. The roman salute was used by the Roman empire, the earliest known use of the swastika dates the 4th centure BCE. Yet none of this symbols/gestures are accepted today, because t…

Sieg Heil originated in Germany around the 1900, etc A broken analogy. The difference lies in the fact that these symbols were utterly obscure to German public before the Nazis introduced them in the early 1920s; though they had previous incarnations, in essence the Nazis reinvented them. In fact, they were so successful at it that most people are surprised to learn that these symbols had prior origins. The situation…

> And used today, it has no fascist connotations, and does not indicate support for Bandera or the OUN. That's just a simple fact. You obviously want the slogan to mean something different in the current context -- but we're talking about a country of 44 million people here, and if you have any interaction at all with this society, it's perfectly obvious and clear what they mean by it. I take their word over yours.

That's BS. Do some research, check how many marches like this one[0] (clearly mimicking nazis and glorifying Bandera) there are in Ukraine. Check the countless pictures and videos showing elements of the AFU wearing nazi symbology. Check what is the role of fascist militias like Azov and neo-nazi parties like Svoboda in the 2014's Maidan.

What evidence do you have to support that symbology taken straight from Bandera period has no relationship with him?

> The Poles have long gotten over all this history too, of course. They know what happened in those years, but they know that what's happening in the current day is infinitely more important. They know there's a fascist aggressor to the East which threatens their survival as a people, and it isn't Ukraine.

That's bullshit as well, and you know it. To this day Poland comdemns Ukraine's commeration of Bandera & co.[1] That's a constant source of friction between the two countries, which are only united at the moment because of Russia.

The real problem with Ukraine as a nation is that the only national cultural identity they could find is rooted in collaborationism with the nazis, ethnical extermination and hatred for the URSS. Not a great base to start from.

> You're only interested in this stuff as scare imagery -- as a way to push people's buttons.

All I'm interested in is to see an end to the constant glorification of nazism.

- [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhGEiwCHZE

- [1]: https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/01/02/poland-condemns-ukrai...

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by Rastonbury »

Dachande663 wrote: post #82
meindnoch wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummmm what?

Hameroff is one of those common pseudo-psy frauds. Dawkins hit the nail on the head when he said consciousness is hard to grasp and understand so everytime something in science comes along that is also hard to grasp, people latch on to it as an explanation. 70s it was chaos theory, then everyone switch to quantum entanglement, and already seeing it leak into AGI.

I didn't know who he was but the fact the commentor had to list his MD title and position gave it away

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by alan-hn »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #80
janalsncm wrote: post #56

In college I used a lot of nitrous. I got small cartridges and a “cracker” with a balloon. It was pretty euphoric. I stopped after recording myself taking it. I was unconscious a lot longer than I remembered being, and even though I was probably never at risk of suffocating there were long periods where I didn’t see myself breathing. That was enough. I regret the effects it may have had on my brain. It’s impossible t…

Unconscious from the hypoxia? Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do?

Many nitrous users actually do mix in oxygen, and some long term users have elaborate setups for filtering and precise gas mixing

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by mathsmath »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #164
golergka wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're in a rocket on top of thousands of tons of explosives, everything runs automatically, there's terrifying noise all around and you don't control anything. Blacking out in dissociative euphoria still sounds like a feature, not a bug to me.

Sounds like you don't like a good time :-P

I had a similar experience recently. Massive turbulence on a commercial flight low over the continental divide flying into Denver.

I personally witnessed 3 people vomiting, but I was all smiles the whole time. I am in small planes a lot, so kind of enjoy the bumps when it’s someone else’s job to fly now.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by pfdietz »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #163
pfdietz wrote: post #126

It's a shame xenon is an anesthetic. If it did not have that effect, one could pressure xenon until it was the same density as the body. It would still be a gas, and one could include some oxygen in it so one wouldn't suffocate (although breathing could be more laborious, perhaps require mechanical support). Suspended in this gas, one could be subjected to much higher acceleration without injury, up the point that de…

Could you achieve this same effect suspended in a tank of water with a breathing mask?

To some extent, but there would still be a large density difference between tissue and the air in the lungs. Perfluorocarbon breathing liquids could be used.
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