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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by anonzzzies »

CalRobert wrote: post #95
thefz wrote: post #6

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!

That website is a mess. I'm in the Netherlands. I started here: https://op.europa.eu/en/web/who-is-who/organization/-/organi... Then checked Netherlands under sublevels and wound up here: https://op.europa.eu/en/web/who-is-who/organization/-/organi... and that seems to have the email address bre@minbuza.nl ? and finally I end up at https://www.netherlandsandyou.nl/web/pr-eu-brussels which has no contact info. I'll tr…

I just contacted the representation for where I am resident, not where I am from (I am also from NL and they seem to be against already). Can't hurt.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by eumasssu »

Jensson wrote: post #108
wasmitnetzen wrote: post #96

The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.

And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

rvnx wrote: post #122
thefz wrote: post #6

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!

There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ? If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?

It is good that you are getting to understand how 'democracy' works.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by nyten10 »

tdsone3 wrote: post #107
wasmitnetzen wrote: post #96

The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.

Excuse my ignorance, updated the title. Seeing the discussion here, it did attract the wrong audience...

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by cryptica »

There is something weird about EU approach to online child protection. They project themselves as being hell-bent on solving the problem, yet, as with the US with the Jeffrey Epstein case, they are curiously inactive when it comes to prosecution of pedophiles. As if they're keen to find them, but not so keen to lock them up. WTF do they do with these pedophiles once they find them? Promote them to public office so they can be extorted and controlled? It doesn't add up.

Seems like there is something weird about EU and pedophilia. Coincidentally, it seems as if the EU is operating under the thumb of a foreign power. After being involved in the tech sector there, it has been a recurring theme. I never heard about that stuff when working for US tech companies. In other countries, they also handle the problem but they don't constantly virtue-signal about it. Also when I was in the crypto space working on EU-backed projects, I heard rumors that some of the founders had been victims (or maybe also the other way? Like a cult) I inferred that they were being extorted. When I read conspiracy theories about that sort of stuff, it oddly resonates with some of my experiences in the tech sector when you get close to the big money and big politics.

The increase of popularity of conspiracy theories and the recurring theme of pedophilia is also starting to seem suspicious.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #124
xalava wrote: post #97

Dear HNautes, Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing. It might even have an adversarial effect. If you want to be helpful, please consider more strategic alternatives such raising awareness among the general public, writing thoughtful arguments, or joining specialized non-profits or political parties.

> Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing Nobody likes this. A concise, thoughtful call or message carries a premium in the states, but only if you’re demonstrably a constituent. The reason is simple: it shows conviction. If you’re willing to pick up the phone, you might be willing to stump for an opponent. If you’re unwilling to do that, or are raving at the politician such that y…

Calls, emails, tweets, and texts are ephemeral and easily ignored.

Send a handwritten letter to cuts through the noise because no one does it anymore.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

sofixa wrote: post #60
kvgr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me more how all the money transfers are neoliberal? How the “creating of european idea” is neoliberal? How “we must have minimal taxes in europe” is neoliberal. Industrial subsidies for car and aeroplane companies. Compulsary social and retirement policies. In EU socialism is the norm, everything outside is branded almost extreme right. And right is a bad word in EU. If you take right and cut out russian support…

> If you take right and cut out russian support, keep taxes and less money distribution, promote personal tesponsibility you are still extreme right. That describes to a T the French party "Les Republicains", and nobody calls them far right. So no, you need the extremist "migrants bad" with zero nuance, heavy doses of populism with no foundation, promises of more money distribution (in France, the Front National is p…

Why is "migrants bad" with zero nuance extremist?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by quectophoton »

teekert wrote: post #100

"Only non-commercial services that are not ad-funded, such as many open source software, are out of scope" So, what's the use of this law anyway? I do wonder what open source means though. Is Signal opensource? The client is, the server is not... Matrix is fully open source... And Whatsapp (which my country runs on) which has open source encryption...?

Thinking like I want to take advantage of the letter of the law:

> "End-to-end encrypted messenger services are not excluded from the scope"

This was probably added precisely to include Signal, XMPP with OMEMO, etc.

> "Hosting services affected include web hosting, social media, video streaming services, file hosting and cloud services"

So not even self-hosting NAS, since this probably will be interpreted as "sharing with your family is still providing a file hosting service to them".

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by sunbum »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #150
rekoil wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

How exactly do bottle caps in the EU end up in marine environments? And if they do that should be pretty easy to fix. These regulations won’t do anything to stop countries in Asia, Africa and other places from pumping their garbage into rivers and oceans… To be fair I don’t really mind the bottle caps (unlike the plastic straw ban) but it hardly accomplishes anything beautiful allowing people in the EU to feel better…

But they are, as it becomes easier to just produce one version the bottle caps attached to the bottle will spread to other countries[1]

[1]- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect

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