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Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by qsdf38100 »

drcode wrote: post #131

I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)

Still paying attention? With a "chauffeur" you don’t have to, that’s the point. Isn’t that a obvious??

Also you’re not personally responsible if your chauffeur has an accident.

The Elon miracle, he scams you, but you still defend him and pretend like you’re happy with the scam. "In less than a year you’ll be able to get from New York to San Francisco during your sleep". That was in 2016. 8 years later, he says "robotaxi" and people still believe him.

It’s a world scale Stockholm syndrome.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by drcode »

lucianbr wrote: post #154
drcode wrote: post #131

I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)

I wonder if the guy who died when his Telsa drove under a truck would have written a similar comment the day before. What do you think? I mean this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...

Please stop using anecdotes and provide safety statistics in your argument, like this: https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/10/Tesla...

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by gravescale »

xyst wrote: post #146

Self driving cars in general are a useless technology demo. Not just TSLA (although more so because of the repeated false claims). It’s a way for the car industry to fight against their extinction. In the beginning the argument was: “it’s not the cars killing people, it’s the damn ‘jay walkers’ (term invented by auto industry, btw). Get those people off the road and cram them into the sides of the streets so my fat c…

Nothing represents the idea that cars were intended to be absolutely welded to the idea of respectable American society than the "parkway" (it's a park, but you drive on it!).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkway

And of course it turns out Robert Moses' fingerprints are on it.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by lucianbr »

imtringued wrote: post #103
michaelt wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC it's an vision-only ML-based system. So the answer to "why" is probably "we don't know lol"

Image segmentation is almost a solved problem. There is no reason why it should get confused even with a vision only system. Their problem is most likely that they don't have enough compute to process a history of frames and instead process a single image at a time leading to jumps in the segmentation results and those random jumps cause unpredictable braking.

> Image segmentation is almost a solved problem.

Almost pregnant.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by DennisP »

deng wrote: post #109
bob1029 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My neighborhood has the effectively one-way street thing going on. FSD would be a total clown show in here. Tesla would have to add some way to determine the velocity of the oncoming traffic around a 90 degree bend while dealing with extremely limited visibility due to seasonal foliage. They would also have to add a way to factor in the historical behavior of these cars over time. For example, I know the guy who driv…

Yes, what is also important is that in many cities you often need to drive with a bit of... let's say "confidence", otherwise you will never leave your current spot. When you try to enter a busy street, you sometimes JUST NEED TO GO, trusting the oncoming traffic will slow down if needed. Sometimes a nice person will flash headlights to let you know it's OK, but I'm pretty sure FSD will not be able to notice that...…

FSD already understands some human gestures, and it learns this stuff by seeing how human drivers do things. Understanding a headlight flash doesn't seem like a big ask. And recently, the biggest complain from FSD users was that it drove a little too aggressively.

Because it copies human drivers, FSD actually was doing slow rolling stops for a while. Then people freaked out and pretended that was super unsafe, and the government made them do full stops.

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Post by speedgoose »

NoblePublius wrote: post #97

FSD is worse than autopilot, and makes autopilot worse. When you enable FSD, it turns on the cabin camera and applies the same driver attention standard to autopilot. Autopilot is really good! But if FSD is on, it becomes next to useless. You actually have to look at the road all the time!

Well, don’t you have to look at the road all the time?

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by drcode »

qsdf38100 wrote: post #161
drcode wrote: post #131

I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)

Still paying attention? With a "chauffeur" you don’t have to, that’s the point. Isn’t that a obvious?? Also you’re not personally responsible if your chauffeur has an accident. The Elon miracle, he scams you, but you still defend him and pretend like you’re happy with the scam. "In less than a year you’ll be able to get from New York to San Francisco during your sleep". That was in 2016. 8 years later, he says "robot…

nobody is forcing you to spend your money on things you don't like

if you don't pay attention when you're driving with a taxi/Uber/chauffeur, that doesn't seem very smart

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by zeeZ »

Kwpolska wrote: post #77
zeeZ wrote: post #7

> I assume it would have corrected itself eventually and gone back onto the main lane. > Another case where I’m sure it would have corrected itself eventually [...]. Why? That's some bold assumptions. If it's going to fail, let it (as long as it's safe and legal), and see what it actually does.

Why would he do something Tesla should have done? Why would he risk his life for a blog post? He’s a regular person trying to reach his destination, not a Tesla beta tester with Tesla-funded insurance in case the car tries to kills him.

1. I explicitly mentioned to do it only as long as it was legal and safe to do so.

2. The post is about three test rides. Sure he may have had a destination to reach at the same time, but he was testing.

3. It probably wasn't a life or death situation the way it was written. "The car would have figured itself out eventually" does not sound immediately life threatening.

4. There's no basis for "the car would have figured itself out eventually". I felt the bits I quoted came off a bit too hand wavey for something that is labeled a test. Either don't include it at all, or see what actually happens (within reason).

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Post by golol »

lucianbr wrote: post #154
drcode wrote: post #131

I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)

I wonder if the guy who died when his Telsa drove under a truck would have written a similar comment the day before. What do you think? I mean this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...

Mentioning autopilot in an FSD discussion shows you are not familiar with the subject.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by ProxCoques »

rvnx wrote: post #85
ClassyJacket wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's... out right now. You can literally use it today.

And it sort of works in limited cases. FSD is like ChatGPT, it works in many cases, it does some mistakes, but it is certainly not “useless”. It won’t replace full time humans yet (the same way that ChatGPT does not replace a developer) but can still work in some scenarios. To the investor, ChatGPT is sold as “AGI is just round the corner”.

I think this is one of my fave FSD predictions:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tesla-driverless-cars...

Oct 2014: "Five or six years from now we will be able to achieve true autonomous driving where you could literally get in the car, go to sleep and wake up at your destination."

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