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Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by vundercind »

d3ckard wrote: post #31
xlii wrote: post #26

Offtopic, but am I the only person surprised how badly Apple stalled when it comes to window management and UX on MacOS? I feel that today, as a power user/professional, MacOS wouldn't be usable without applications like Bartender, external window manager such as Rectangle/Divvy etc. I feel strong attraction coming from yabai, but disabling SIP is too much for me. Personally I'm reaching the point where I'd migrate t…

Totally in the opposite camp, in the sense I think it’s preferable to customize your experience using 3rd party apps and it should be encouraged model by vendor.

I’d have said this was insane back when I was a Linux user but after years in Mac land… in practice, man, it’s so much better.

It still feels wrong, but I can’t argue with the results.

[edit] though, I mean, at a certain level wanting to customize your UI in X/Wayland means changing out large portions of your UI stack entirely. Layering on top isn’t really crazier than that.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by carlosjobim »

latexr wrote: post #159
carlosjobim wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not slander to say you distrust someone. Of course it is slander to say that somebody's reputation is damaged. Especially when it's not a public figure. Just that somebody's name is public, doesn't make them a public figure. And you even continue. Step out of the mob frenzy for a while and try to look at how you are behaving from a higher perspective. Is it right of you to treat a person like that, because he…

> Of course it is slander to say that somebody's reputation is damaged. Of course it is not. Reputations are, by definition, opinions. And opinions are subjective. > because he sold his own business? If you’re not going to engage in good faith and will just keep repeating the exact same argument after its inaccuracy has been pointed out to you, I don’t see the point in continuing the conversation. Engage with the wor…

It doesn't matter that it's your opinion. Naming a person as having a damaged reputation is very serious. That can and will have real life consequences, all for some bickering about a utility tool for MacOS. Be proportional. You wouldn't publicly name some other person as having a damaged reputation in real life, so why do you consider it acceptable to do here?

And you shouldn't give apps permission to record your screen. That's your responsibility.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by kashunstva »

carlosjobim wrote: post #157
latexr wrote: post #146

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> And who are you A paying customer of Bartender. > to slander It is not slander to say you distrust someone. > a named person Ben’s name was already public. Bartender was published under “Surtees Studios”, after all. Ben has also appeared in at least one podcast. Trusting Bartender meant trusting Ben, the developer, the person. > for selling his own business that he created That’s not what’s in question. No one is b…

> It is not slander to say you distrust someone. Of course it is slander to say that somebody's reputation is damaged. Especially when it's not a public figure. Just that somebody's name is public, doesn't make them a public figure. And you even continue. Step out of the mob frenzy for a while and try to look at how you are behaving from a higher perspective. Is it right of you to treat a person like that, because he…

It's libelous to write false statements with the intent to harm the reputation of private person; but _observing_ that their reputation appears damaged? That seems like a stretch. Personally, I don't wish either the original developer or the current developer ill; but given that the software requires screen recording permissions in order to operate, the communication issued by both should be thorough, sensitive to the privacy and security issues involved, and open. None of that is the case here.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by zymhan »

carlosjobim wrote: post #157
latexr wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And who are you A paying customer of Bartender. > to slander It is not slander to say you distrust someone. > a named person Ben’s name was already public. Bartender was published under “Surtees Studios”, after all. Ben has also appeared in at least one podcast. Trusting Bartender meant trusting Ben, the developer, the person. > for selling his own business that he created That’s not what’s in question. No one is b…

> It is not slander to say you distrust someone. Of course it is slander to say that somebody's reputation is damaged. Especially when it's not a public figure. Just that somebody's name is public, doesn't make them a public figure. And you even continue. Step out of the mob frenzy for a while and try to look at how you are behaving from a higher perspective. Is it right of you to treat a person like that, because he…

You do not seem familiar with US slander laws and precedent.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

kstrauser wrote: post #106
scottoreilly wrote: post #91

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> For example, you can either hide all icons or none. I thought so at first too, but it’s just a confusing UI. The documentation says: > Simply Command + drag your menu bar items to rearrange them. What isn’t said is that this dragging also allows you to keep some of the items permanently showing. Anything you drag to the right of that double arrow icon will stay there.

I swear I tried that. Guess not! In that case, it covers 95% of what I used in Bartender.

It's really weird, non intuitive but once you figure it out, it's great. For example, if you cmd drag something, it puts you back into edit mode. The chevron design system is weird: they need to just mimic the coloring they show in the README.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #158
callalex wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of the statement is slander?

Saying that somebody has a damaged reputation.

Why do you not acknowledge any of the points made? Selling a business is a big deal and an announcement should be made. Not doing so is at best short sided and ignorant.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by philsnow »

samatman wrote: post #156
nlkl wrote: post #60

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I use Mac for work, Linux/Gnome for personal use, and have used Windows up to and including 11 both personally and professionally in the past (although a lot less recently). In terms of the desktop environment, I feel Mac is severely lacking behind. I know there are very mixed opinions on Gnome, but to me the Gnome UX feels extremely well thought out in comparison. The apple ecosystem might be very well integrated, b…

This is entirely a skill issue. I don't mean that dismissively, let me teach you the Mac way to close apps. You hit ⌘-Tab, this brings up a list of every app you have open. Keep the thumb on the ⌘. More tabs go right, ` goes left. For every app you want to close, hit Q. When done, release ⌘. My preferred way to launch an app is ⌘-Space and the first few letters of its name. This can have some frustrating delays of a…

> ` goes left. For every app you want to close, hit Q

I didn't know about either of these, thanks.

Also apparently, up or down brings up a view of all the windows for that app.

A while ago I put together some hammerspoon lua for making cmd-tab go by window instead of by app because that's how my brain works, but it's slower than the native cmd-tab. Are there other similar hidden tricks for Dock.app (which, I presume, is the thing that makes the cmd-tab overlay appear)?

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by chriscjcj »

carlosjobim wrote: post #158
callalex wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of the statement is slander?

Saying that somebody has a damaged reputation.

Libel is in printed form.

Slander is in oral or spoken form.

Saying harmful things about someone is neither libel nor slander if those statements are factual. It's only libel or slander if the statements that are made are false.

IANAL but... It is my understanding that statements can be considered "per se" libel or slander even if they are expressed as opinion as long as they are made negligently or with malice and they cause reputational harm.

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by carlosjobim »

zymhan wrote: post #164
carlosjobim wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not slander to say you distrust someone. Of course it is slander to say that somebody's reputation is damaged. Especially when it's not a public figure. Just that somebody's name is public, doesn't make them a public figure. And you even continue. Step out of the mob frenzy for a while and try to look at how you are behaving from a higher perspective. Is it right of you to treat a person like that, because he…

You do not seem familiar with US slander laws and precedent.

What does the US and their laws have to do with this?

Re: Ice – open source menu bar manager for macOS

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Post by zukzuk »

DavideNL wrote: post #72

Fyi regarding Bartender; You could just use "Little Snitch", block internet for Bartender, and keep using the latest safe version for a while: v5.0.49. Restore it from a backup if you can, and disable updates. Also, here’s the “v5.0.49” file hash: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/0ce40bb5d6f0605c91ae2dc6...

Or LuLu if you want a free, open alternative to Little Snitch.
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