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How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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I think it’s safe to assume that in the next few years almost all consumer hardware will be able to run a local LLM comfortably. And no one knows if LLMs can go beyond GPT-4 in a way that will genuinely blow people away.

> (...) almost all consumer hardware will be able to run a local LLM comfortably. The last thing we want. For example, car manufacturers tried to make voice command work and the results are still unreliable; they also had experimented with touch screens and those are going away, because they are a poor and unsafe way to operate a moving vehicle. People want tactile feedback and ability to operate them without taking…

I personally don’t want that. In my opinion, this current iteration of LLM is completely overblown and I am perplexed as to how quickly it is getting adopted into everything.

Of course, LLMs are useful. For small tasks, there is a significant productivity boost to be had, but they are not trustworthy. And that is the main issue.

If we see them as untrustworthy, then perhaps it is necessary to accelerate their exposure into consumer technology as a means to show that an LLM can cause harm - in whatever form that may come.

It’s very easy to overlook LLMs making things up, but they do (including GPT4) - and if that can’t be solved then it’s safe to assume this hype will be short-lived.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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post #16

Adding to the litany of bad google ideas from the past 10+ years: - Killing google reader - Pointless UI changes - Multiple chat and videocall apps that cannibalize each other. - Stadia fiasco - Shoving AI down our throats in their MAIN PRODUCT What's the source of this rot? I have a friend at google who says the place is filled with smart people competing with each other. Perhaps this competition fuels a chaotic lac…

> What's the source of this rot?

Shareholders expect constant gain.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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post #137

Considering how much Google search has shaped my life, I am somewhat* surprised by the amount of people in this thread, who apparently have zero tolerance for continued innovation in this area and the rough edges it brings. *Oh well, it's hn, after all

This phrasing is pretty biased and something I most often see from product managers who are pushing changes that aren't in most user's interests. Many product changes that Google makes these days are driven by promotions and/or increasing revenue, not to make products better for end users. You can refer to all changes as "innovation", but it's going to sound unreasonable to most. Also, characterizing people who objec…

> something I most often see from product managers

I am not a product manager. A data point, to help adjust your bias.

> Many product changes that Google makes these days are driven by promotions and/or increasing revenue, not to make products better for end users

Can you be specific? In this particular instance, how does AI integration increase revenue? Again, I don't know what "promotions" refers to here. Feel free to be specific, if you do.

> You can refer to all changes as "innovation", but it's going to sound unreasonable to most.

I agree, that does sound fairly unreasonable.

> Also, characterizing people who object to one specific change as having "zero tolerance for continued innovation" is ridiculous and innacurate.

Again, we are in agreement: That would be ridiculous. And so is thinking of ways to integrate AI into Googles main product as "one specific change".

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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post #10

Your loss, I will keep expanding my brain with the wisdom of Googles powerful AI https://imgur.com/a/g4qOU9a

literally, how does anyone find this acceptable? It makes me feel dumb that I find this outrageous, like the emperor's new clothes: y'all can see this too right?

My strong suspicion is that, for, say, the CEO of Google, this is less about "this will improve the product", or even "LLMs are the future, so we should use them in the present even though they don't work", and more "this is what the markets, which are collectively kinda dumb, have decided they will reward this year, so we will appease them until such time as they move onto a new toy."

See Our Lord and Saviour the Blockchain; for a year or so practically every company was announcing some sort of blockchain thing. Did any of these come to anything? Of course not, but that was, when it comes to it, hardly the point.

LLMs are a particularly dramatic example, but I suspect the dynamic is, in reality, more or less the same as metaverses, blockchains, the _previous_ AI bubble (remember the year or so when everyone was announcing chatbots, until Microsoft Tay kinda scared everyone off it abruptly?), and so on.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

#167
post #82

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OpenAI has been in the news lately because one of the new 4o voices sounds like Scarlett Johansson in the movie Her. Allegedly Scarlett Johansson was approached multiple times about being the voice, but turned it down, so they just made a voice that sounds like her. There were some tweets that had very conspicuous timings that accelerated the drama. It seems that google is mixing in the largest related search terms.

I am well aware of the situation, hence me searching her name. But that doesn’t explain the nonsense word salad. I would actually be very skeptical to assume that these were taken verbatim from searchers. You would have needed A LOT of people to have searched that exact phrase for it to be added to PAA. Google does a good job with People Also Ask, and I have never seen this before. It might be nothing, but I am leani…

Google does a good job with People Also Ask?

It's a great service for providing the wrong answers to things I didn't search for, but I admit I haven't yet figured out why I am supposed to desire this.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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100% of searches I do are from commandline. For most queries, I get ~100 links, up to a limit of about 250-300. No blue links, just black and white. People complain about the quality of Google search. The complaint I have is the limited number of results. I have custom programs that process SERPs and I use search not only for "search" but for also for "discovery"; I want a maximum number of results, several hundred a…

How are you performing CLI searches? Which program do you use?

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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post #168

100% of searches I do are from commandline. For most queries, I get ~100 links, up to a limit of about 250-300. No blue links, just black and white. People complain about the quality of Google search. The complaint I have is the limited number of results. I have custom programs that process SERPs and I use search not only for "search" but for also for "discovery"; I want a maximum number of results, several hundred a…

How are you performing CLI searches? Which program do you use?

There is no single program. It has always been a shell script that runs multiple programs.

At present, a routine search looks like this:

   echo search terms|1.sh > 1.htm
   links 1.htm
links is 1.4 MiB static binary.

The programs used in 1.sh are as follows. All are static binaries.

68K nc

744K busybox (sed)

44K yy025

44K yy030

44K yy032

40K yy044

44K yy045

40K yy073

168K yy084

yy programs are just dumb filters I write that process input from stdin and output formatted text, fast, with low memory usage.

A localhost-bound, forward proxy is also used. This can be up to 9 MiB static binary if I use the latest OpenSSL. Size can be significantly reduced by using alternative TLS libraries.

1.sh currently supports about 40 different search engines.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

#170
post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you performing CLI searches? Which program do you use?

There is no single program. It has always been a shell script that runs multiple programs. At present, a routine search looks like this: echo search terms|1.sh > 1.htm links 1.htm links is 1.4 MiB static binary. The programs used in 1.sh are as follows. All are static binaries. 68K nc 744K busybox (sed) 44K yy025 44K yy030 44K yy032 40K yy044 44K yy045 40K yy073 168K yy084 yy programs are just dumb filters I write th…

1.sh is 12K
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