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Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by kdmtctl »

jorvi wrote: post #139
jwells89 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US it’s also not uncommon for connections to be not only asymmetrical, but downright lopsided. Comcast sells “gigabit” in my area that’s 1.2Gbps down but only like 20Mbps up which is just silly. Thankfully a competitor offers true gigabit for about the same price, and so that’s what I subscribe to.

That's pretty much all DOCSIS providers worldwide. I'm not sure if it is a technical limitation or just what the customer wants, but you pretty much always see ~ 1/5 ratio 200mbits. So, 5 up / 20 down or 60 up / 600 down.

It is a technical limitation. Depends on number of shared downstream and upstream channels in a given network.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by xyst »

The private ISPs also tend to have under the table agreements with each other to avoid competing with one another in some regions. Keeps the prices high while spending the bare minimum to keep the network running (which means low bandwidth and asymmetrical options).

Occasionally you may live in an area with more than 2 options, but that’s rare. I have moved around a dozen times and only recall a single instance where I was able to choose between 2 providers.

I would absolutely love to build out municipal internet. We have plenty of good examples to build off of (Utah and Chattanooga, TN). The only thing holding a majority of us back is: state bans on municipal internet.

This would have the added benefit of creating local high paying jobs as well. Keep the money circulating within the region for as long as possible. Money doesn’t escape via temp out of state workers or corporate bonuses to C level executives

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by saagarjha »

kbenson wrote: post #102
caseyf7 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sonic is reselling AT&T fiber in most situations, but they provide their own support which is nice if you need it. If the problem is with the fiber, you are still relying on AT&T.

Not "most situations" for years and not at all for a bit now. AT&T fiber reselling in an area was always a stop gap until we could build out our own offering at that locatuon and offer a better and cheaper product of our own which is more profitable for us to people that were already our customers, which is a win for them and for us.

Any plans to resell AT&T fiber in locations where you don't have service? (Asking not-so-transparently if you will come down to San Jose where I live…)

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by saagarjha »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #80
tombert wrote: post #76

Ugh, it's a little annoying that I cannot get faster than 2 gigabit internet in NYC, and it cost me like $120/month. 2 gigabit is more than fast enough for pretty much anything I do, especially since most of the stuff in my house is on WiFi anyway, but I did get my house completely wired for 10 gigabits about a year ago to try and future-proof everything. It's frustrating that NYC is a super expensive place to live,…

Worst internet I ever had was at a Cupertino apartment…in 2013. Walked a mile to the office where we had blazing fiber. Manager said a lot of the valley outside of company offices was way behind cause of the cost of installation. Hope it’s improved.

Just moved out of Cupertino and the best speeds we could get was 1 Gbps down/50 Mbps up on Comcast. The other option was AT&T DSL. So…not really.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by saagarjha »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #121
defrost wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

{ Multiple people in household each having multi-party high resolution video calls | band practice | data manipulation collaborations | 4K TV on demand } can suck up the bandwidth when the priority is smooth real-time with low interactive latency. It's not always going to be peak demand, but it'll be noticable when everybody piles on at particular times of day. TBH I have relatively low bandwidth most of the time and…

You absolutely cannot saturate a 10 Gbit link with today's consumer's needs, let alone with today's consumer hardware. That's hundreds of Netflix 4k streams.

Never download software updates or games?

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by saagarjha »

LatticeAnimal wrote: post #109
alberth wrote: post #70

Wi-Fi speeds Most consumers will connect via WiFi. And that will be typically capped at < 1 Gbps

Wifi 7 is coming and is rated to 11.5-46.1 Gbit/s (depending on channel bandwidth). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11be

(In real use probably a gigabit or so)

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by HideousKojima »

ubj wrote: post #39

I recently bought a house in Utah. Utopia is the best internet provider experience I've had so far (I've had Xfinity and Verizon previously). Speeds are typically 10-25 Mbps _faster_ than the advertised rate I'm paying for. Being able to have multiple (~5 or more) provider options to choose between is a welcome change from past monopolies I've been trapped in. Granted this all could change down the road (I hope not),…

I also have UTOPIA and I'm getting 1Gbps up and down for $50 a month. And I think there's a slower option (250 Mbps or something like that) for under $40. Works like a dream. My only complaint is that my ISP (XMission) didn't add IPv6 support until relatively recently.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by soerxpso »

Qwertious wrote: post #131
Diesel555 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all covered in microeconomics. Competition is very good for society. Things that stop competition are bad and require government action. The scenario above is describing the behaviors of a “natural monopoly” due to the barriers to enter the market. As with all monopolies, regulation or some government action is normally required to promote competition and stop bad behavior (some examples of government actions…

I hate how corporate lobbying is described as "government action", as if the government here is the actor and not the condom.

The government is the actor. Do you think that corporate lobbying gives corporations the right to write their own laws, or something? Lobbying is paying someone to speak to a government representative. Every government representative has the full authority to respond, "No? That's stupid," and if they respond any other way they should be the one held accountable for it.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by tracker1 »

As a Libertarian, I've always felt that govt should be limited to ensuring (not necessarily providing) essential infrastructure. At this point, internet access as part of communications should be considered essential infrastructure.

I always find it kind of wild how Utah tends to be a Progressive Republican state. Projects like this are definitely nice to see.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by tracker1 »

wildrhythms wrote: post #149

I'm in NYC and I have a local ISP called Honest Internet that gives me gigabit for $50/mo. Comcast/Xfinity, Verizon, Spectrum all wanted $90/mo for this. I also have a direct email address to get support rather than some useless "chatbot" and endless phone queue. Support local ISPs.

Cox is more than that in Phoenix... I've got 2gb down (100mb up) currently. I do wish they didn't charge 2x or more to host a server at home though (business account).
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