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What can LLMs never do?

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Re: What can LLMs never do?

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LLMs can't is such an anti-pattern at this point I'm surprised that anyone still dares to stake it. The piece even has an example of a $10k bet around a can't being proven false in under a day, but somehow doesn't think maybe their own can't examples are on similarly thin ice? In particular, the line about "what models can't do tells us what they don't know" is infuriating. No, that's not the case at all. At least in…

interestingly enough, it seems that ChatGPT-4 can now detect the variations of the classic logic puzzle and solve it, so that can't is now a couldn't.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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There’s many things they can’t do. Even a simple rule like “ensure that numbers from one to ten are written as words and numbers greater ten as digits in the given text” fails for me for so many examples even if it works for many others; few shot, chain of thought, many versions of the prompt, it doesn’t matter. Sometimes LLMs will even change the number to something else, even with temp set to 0. And then there’s th…

The reason it can't do that is that, for example, "twenty" and "20" are nearly identical in the vector embedding space and it can't really distinguish them that well in most contexts. That's true for generally any task that relies on sort of "how the words look" vs "what the words mean". Any kind of meta request is going to be very difficult for an LLM, but a multi-modal GPT model should be able to handle it.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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Interesting, if I feed Mistral Le Chat with "I fly a plane leaving my campsite, heading straight east for precisely 24,901 miles, and find myself back at the camp. I come upon seeing a tiger in my tent eating my food! What species is the tiger?", it gets it badly wrong: The scenario you described is possible if you started at the South Pole. If you travel 24,901 miles east from there, you would indeed end up back at…

> The scenario you described is possible if you started at the South Pole. If you travel 24,901 miles east from there, you would indeed end up back at the same spot

Would you? How can you travel east at all, starting from the South Pole? There is no east. Every direction you face is north.

OTOH, every line of latitude whose length is an integral divisor of 24,901 miles will satisfy the problem.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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Mornington Crescent. It will always win and hence lose and more importantly have no idea why.

Oh let's be cerebral about this stuff and ignore silly British nonsense. LLMs are a classic example of garbage in, garbage out, with a shonky curve fit veneer of science.

A next token guesser with a rather varied input quality is going to go off on one rather often. Given that we all have a different idea of truth adds to the fun.

I take care that my monocle doesn't snag in my lathe. Do be careful with your nob when tickling your LLM inappropriately.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are problems that are easy for human beings but hard for current LLMs (and maybe impossible for them; no one knows). Examples include playing Wordle and predicting cellular automata (including Turing-complete ones like Rule 110). We don’t fully understand why current LLMs are bad at these tasks. I thought we did know for things like playing Wordle, that its because they deal with words as sequence of tokens t…

Regarding Wordle, it should be straightforward to make a token-based version of it, and I would assume that that has been tried. It seems the obvious thing to do when one is interested in the reasoning abilities necessary for Wordle.

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Re: What can LLMs never do?

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post #62

I have been trying to generate some text recently using the ChatGPT API. No matter how I word “Include any interesting facts or anecdotes without commenting on the fact being interesting” it ALWAYS starts out “One interesting fact about” or similar phrasing. I have honestly spent multiple hours trying to word the prompt so it will stop including introductory phrases and just include the fact straight. I have gone so…

I often encounter fixation, and that would be my immediate thought: negative commands can often cause the LLM to fixate on a term or idea. My first thought would be to try positive examples and avoid a negative command entirely.

If you spent that much time I'm sure you tried this and other things, so maybe even that isn't enough. (Though I assume if you ask for a JSON/function call response with the API that you'd do fine...?)

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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Fantastic essay. Highly recommended! I agree with all key points: * There are problems that are easy for human beings but hard for current LLMs (and maybe impossible for them; no one knows). Examples include playing Wordle and predicting cellular automata (including Turing-complete ones like Rule 110). We don't fully understand why current LLMs are bad at these tasks. * Providing an LLM with examples and step-by-step…

>We don't fully understand why current LLMs are bad at these tasks. In complete seriousness, can anyone can explain why LLMs are good at some tasks?

If you look at transfer learning, I think that is a useful point at which to understand task-specific application and hence why LLMs excel at some tasks and not others.

Tasks are specialised for using the training corpus, the attention mechanisms, the loss functions, and such.

I'll leave it to others to expand on actual answers, but IMO focusing on transfer learning helps to understand how an LLM does inferences.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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post #14

Fantastic essay. Highly recommended! I agree with all key points: * There are problems that are easy for human beings but hard for current LLMs (and maybe impossible for them; no one knows). Examples include playing Wordle and predicting cellular automata (including Turing-complete ones like Rule 110). We don't fully understand why current LLMs are bad at these tasks. * Providing an LLM with examples and step-by-step…

> We have "reasoning machines" that are intelligent...

That's quite a statement.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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post #3

The article should be titled " What can LLM never do, yet". By definition, Large Language Models would keep growing larger and larger, to be trained on faster and more advanced hardware, and certain points like "completing complex chains of logical reasoning" tasks, would be just a time hurdle. Only time will tell.

We really don't need time to tell. Just making a transformer bigger and bigger, and feeding it more and more data, will not change it from being a language model into something else, anymore than scaling up an expert system such as Cyc will transform it into something other than an expert system. "Scale it up and it'll become sentient" is one of the recurring myths of AI.. a bit odd that people are falling for it aga…

Well said. This has always been my fundamental problem with the claims about large language models' current or eventual capabilities: most of the things people claim it can or will be able most of the things people claim it can or will be able to do require a neural architecture completely different from the one it has, and no amount of scaling up the number of neurons and the amount of training data used will change that fundamental architecture, and at a very basic level the capabilities of any neural network are going to be limited by its architecture. We would need to add some kind of advanced recursive structure to large language models, as well as some kind of short-term and working memory, as well as probably many other structures, to make them capable of the kind of metacognition necessary to properly do a lot of the things people want them to be able to do. Without metacognition, the ability to analyze what one is currently thinking and think new things based on that analysis, and therefore to look at what one is thinking and error correct it, consciously adjust it or iterate on it, or consciously ensure that one is adhering to certain principles of reasoning or knowledge, we can't expect large language models to be able to actually understand Concepts and principles and how they are applicable and reliably perform reasoning or even obey instructions.

Re: What can LLMs never do?

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post #150

I just asked MetaAI to help me with Wordle and it understood and gave me a sane answer, so… Edit: ah, I spoke too soon. My first question was too "easy" but I asked a few more, and sure enough... it can understand what I'm asking and it can write an answer that's well formed, but it's fundamentally not understanding the rules of the game or giving me valid guesses. Cute!

It's actually that it has no idea how words are spelled because they're blind to letters. This is because they operate instead on tokens instead.

They do seem to know the first letter of each word pretty well (they love to alliterate and can also produce a list of things starting with A then B then C etc) but they are all very terrible at spelling beyond that. I presume they could be trained to spell even while retaining tokens but I guess I don't know for certain.

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