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H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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Post by dpkirchner »

lm28469 wrote: post #75
tyfon wrote: post #40

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Alt milks are usually ultra processed and quite unhealthy compared to regular milk. Not sure this is a viable alternative.

I love how on HN we regularly talk about terraforming Mars, computer/brain interface, the AI "singularity", or even immortality brought by technology, but "sustainable farming" is an unsolvable problem and is so out of our imagination spectrum that we almost shouldn't discuss the possibility...

Folks going to Mars don't ask me to change the status quo and the status quo must be preserved no matter the consequences!

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Post by Ekaros »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #111
3l3ktr4 wrote: post #81

It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?

Air travel is a bigger spread of disease, should we ban air travel?

If we really wanted to stop diseases from spreading, we could go back to lockdowns. That would clearly be effective way. And also it would be effective in combating climate change.

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Post by hrrbhgrrggb »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #119
CWIZO wrote: post #56

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A plant-based diet is cheaper than a regular diet: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-chea...

Looking at Tesco online in UK: there's a soy protein 'mince' a £3.72/kg. Beef or chicken mince at £5. Quorn mycoprotein at £8.33. Beyond Meat at £13. Out of the 5 vegan and 8 vegetarian options, only the soy protein is cheaper than meat. I might replace one meal a week with the soy protein, but I'd be concerned about long term effects of phytoestrogen, especially on growing children? Mind you many foods have some hid…

You wouldn’t use “meat replacements” though you’d just eat a vegetarian diet. If hundreds of millions of Indians can do it, so can westerners.

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Post by 2024throwaway »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #154
mailund wrote: post #107

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not my field, but isn't meat pretty lossy compression food-wise? IIRC, feeding an animal to later eat instead of just eating what the animal would eat wastes like 90% (not sure of the exact figure) of the calories. So if we just ate the plants directly and easily cover our caloric needs without going through the cow-middleman. Kind of like, instead of feeding the cows a bunch of soy and then eating the cow, just eat…

So you chow down on a nice plate of grass? Humans can't derive nutrition that way.

This is a valid argument and not at all reductive. Obviously grass is the only plant available to humans to eat. /s

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Post by pc86 »

malermeister wrote: post #45
bamboozled wrote: post #41

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Are you vegan?

I am not, but I have a lot of respect for people who are. Personally, I'm too selfish and animal products taste too good.

Maybe you should stick to plant-based food and lab grown meat before telling other people to stop eating animals and go to plant-based food and lab grown meat.

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Post by tomrod »

themk wrote: post #9

Maybe, just maybe, we should ease off on the factory farming...

Desire - yes. Feasibility - not sure, we need to substitute the caloric intake with something of a relatively similar density, profile, and nutrition. "Vegetarian" might do the trick (beans, rice, fresh vegetables) and I suspect there are a number of ways to improve protein and fat uptake that milk, cheese, and butter provide.

This is just for beef, of course. It is hard to overstate how reliant most developed countries are on chicken and, especially, basically every part of a pig.

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Post by berndi »

triceratops wrote: post #151
ethbr1 wrote: post #142

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You know what a key source of protein is in chicken feed? Crab/fish meal. Which is to say leftovers after processing, dried and ground. https://www.feedipedia.org/node/664 At the end of the day, non-pasture food animal raising boils down to getting enough nutrients and time into them to hit your target slaughter weight, subject to feed conversion ratio for the species. Cheaper nutrients = higher margins or lower prod…

Chickens eat worms. Feeding them crab or fish meal is fine. Cows are herbivores. Feeding them meat is abhorrent.

Do the cows know they are herbivores? Why would the fact that they don’t predate on other animals in the wild make it “abhorrent” to feed them animal products in captivity?

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Post by Dalewyn »

skhunted wrote: post #152
Dalewyn wrote: post #129

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>the world becomes exponentially more polluted. ... The world is becoming a toxic shithole. I would strongly advise easing off on your intake of mainstream news media, the real world is quite pleasant out here.

I use Foxnews.com. Who should I use? Isn’t it a mathematical fact that if Americans consume exponentially more resources than others then as more people gain wealth commensurate with Americans then exponentially more resources will be consumed? Or do you think Americans are especially greedy in this respect? I had not considered that possibility. https://www.foxnews.com/health/forever-chemicals-found-us-dr... https:/…

>Who should I use?

None. Go out there and enjoy life, life is way too short to be spending it listening to so-called journalists peddling anger and fear.

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