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Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by edanm »

racional wrote: post #160
edanm wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resolution 181 was the UN looking at a complicated situation that had arisen, an area that contained two different people who wanted to build a homeland there, and trying to figure out how to deal with it. It was accepted by the Jews, just as they had accepted even earlier plans that gave them even less land. It was rejected by the Palestinians. The Arab states instead attacked Israel, which is why additional land wa…

There were mitigating factors, to be sure. But it sounds like, to a first-order approximation, we agree: the land was taken by force. I'm not trying to flatten history - just to get to the basic point. The other aspects that you're bringing up (Arab aims during 1947-1949; which side has been more intransigent since, etc) touch on narratives that are hotly contested as you know, but in any case are even further from t…

Edit: I removed language that, on reflection (after it being pointed out by my co-partner in this discussion), I shouldn't have used.

> There were mitigating factors, to be sure. But it sounds like, to a first-order approximation, we agree: the land was taken by force.

While it might be a "true fact", it's gaslighting to suggest that despite Jews agreeing to a non-violent plan, despite Israel being attacked with the probable intent of wiping it out completely, despite all that, it's ok to characterize the land capture to help protect itself in this defensive war as "land taken by force". That's just not how most people would use that phrase.

> So if you like we can keep our powder dry in regard to those, and concentrate on hopes for some form of de-escalation and a cessation of massive bloodletting in the current moment.

This I can agree with wholeheartedly. I have no idea what is best for the future (I don't see any peace being achieved with Hamas in place, frankly) but the current situation is awful and has to change.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by racional »

edanm wrote: post #161
racional wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were mitigating factors, to be sure. But it sounds like, to a first-order approximation, we agree: the land was taken by force. I'm not trying to flatten history - just to get to the basic point. The other aspects that you're bringing up (Arab aims during 1947-1949; which side has been more intransigent since, etc) touch on narratives that are hotly contested as you know, but in any case are even further from t…

Edit: I removed language that, on reflection (after it being pointed out by my co-partner in this discussion), I shouldn't have used. > There were mitigating factors, to be sure. But it sounds like, to a first-order approximation, we agree: the land was taken by force. While it might be a "true fact", it's gaslighting to suggest that despite Jews agreeing to a non-violent plan, despite Israel being attacked with the…

I punch you, and you punch me back ...

That's not my vibe, man. And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussion any further.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by edanm »

racional wrote: post #162
edanm wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I removed language that, on reflection (after it being pointed out by my co-partner in this discussion), I shouldn't have used. > There were mitigating factors, to be sure. But it sounds like, to a first-order approximation, we agree: the land was taken by force. While it might be a "true fact", it's gaslighting to suggest that despite Jews agreeing to a non-violent plan, despite Israel being attacked with the…

I punch you, and you punch me back ... That's not my vibe, man. And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussion any further.

I apologize, I wasn't trying to be offensive or hurtful, I was just reaching for an example and phrased it poorly and thoughtlessly.

(I'll also edit my comment.)

> And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussion any further.

Fair enough.

For the record, from what I've read of your comments so far, I think we mostly agree about things, apologies that I let the topic make me talk in a way that is inappropriate. (I also like your username for the record)

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by compsciphd »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #148
compsciphd wrote: post #143

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it's not like Iran has a problem with Israeli embassies being bombed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_emba...

Terrorism should be condemned. The article specifically states that they weren't state actors. As opposed to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

so lets get this straight, in your opinion, it's better for a state to fund a non state actor and direct them to do terrorist activities, than for the state to do it itself?

i.e. the terrorism should be condemned but the state sponsor of the terrorism has clean hands.

I'd argue just the opposite, the state sponsor of terrorism is actually worse than a state that takes action itself and doesn't delegate it to a 3rd party.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by racional »

edanm wrote: post #163
racional wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I punch you, and you punch me back ... That's not my vibe, man. And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussion any further.

I apologize, I wasn't trying to be offensive or hurtful, I was just reaching for an example and phrased it poorly and thoughtlessly. (I'll also edit my comment.) > And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussion any further. Fair enough. For the record, from what I've read of your comments so far, I think we mostly agree about things, apologies that I let the topic make me talk in a way that is inappropr…

Apology accepted, and I appreciate the thoughtful clarification.

I'd pick up on the other topic (the Nation-State law, etc), but apparently there's a very insecure person out there right now who is vindictively flagging nearly all of my recent posts -- including the one just above your, just now.

Okay, it seems in one post I was quick to misread someone, so I can see an issue there. But definitely not in all of them).

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by edanm »

racional wrote: post #165
edanm wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I apologize, I wasn't trying to be offensive or hurtful, I was just reaching for an example and phrased it poorly and thoughtlessly. (I'll also edit my comment.) > And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussion any further. Fair enough. For the record, from what I've read of your comments so far, I think we mostly agree about things, apologies that I let the topic make me talk in a way that is inappropr…

Apology accepted, and I appreciate the thoughtful clarification. I'd pick up on the other topic (the Nation-State law, etc), but apparently there's a very insecure person out there right now who is vindictively flagging nearly all of my recent posts -- including the one just above your, just now. Okay, it seems in one post I was quick to misread someone, so I can see an issue there. But definitely not in all of them)…

> but apparently there's a very insecure person out there right now who is vindictively flagging nearly all of my recent posts -- including the one just above your, just now.

I'm sorry that that's happening to you, looking at your comment history it doesn't seem right. I'll try to do what I can to stop this, though it might be worth reaching out to dang and ask him to look at this.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by weatherlite »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #111
mikestew wrote: post #28

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It's not all about preventing the creation of nuclear weapons. It's also about making sure the common person in $SANCTIONED_COUNTRY feels the pain. User UncleEntity says it better than I could in a comment that is buried a few levels: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158797

It seems pretty damn unjust to indiscriminately punish people (the Iranian citizens) who may or may not even agree with what the government is doing and certainly have no power to change it in any case. Unfortunately I, too, have no power over my government or else I would lean on them to stop making life worse for people who did nothing wrong.

Interesting take. Do you feel the same about boycotting/sanctioning Israel? The general sentiment I see in HN is definitely pro boycots on Israel.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by weatherlite »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #58
mikestew wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not all about preventing the creation of nuclear weapons. It's also about making sure the common person in $SANCTIONED_COUNTRY feels the pain. User UncleEntity says it better than I could in a comment that is buried a few levels: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158797

I applaud sanctions because this time Iran simply went too far. It is completely unprecedented that Iran bombed the consulate if Israel. This is an incredibly reckless escalation of violence.

a) It wasn't a consulate

b) consulates are not military bases, so unclear why there was a meeting of Iranian Revolutionary Guard in that building if it was a consulate as you said.

c) It wasn't in Iranian territory

d) Iran is trying to build Syria as a base to attack Israel

e) Israel hasn't fired 300+ ballistic and cruise missiles in the Syria attack. The scale of the Iranian attack is absolutely enormous.

But yeah otherwise sure - total symmetry.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by mmis1000 »

red_admiral wrote: post #144
mmis1000 wrote: post #12

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No, they don't need a 'new' client for that. That already exists. Since minecraft is basically open source, it's not really a secret that how to make a client that simply don't require login. (Surely you don't want to say it loud or legal team of MS is going to chase you hard, but lots of client just slip that function in silently) Besides that. The minecraft login is basically a license check allow you to join 'lega…

True. But the average kid, whether in Iran or the US, might not have the skills to edit the JAR or whatever is needed to disable the licence check.

This reply is probably a little late, but that check is just a line in the config file. You change something like verify-purchase=true to verify-purchase=false, and it's done.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

brabel wrote: post #103
rorroe53 wrote: post #81

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Iran is one of those dictatorships where the majority of the population already dislikes (or plain hates) the government, as we have seen in many demonstrations that have been extinguished through use of extreme violence by the regime. Making life more difficult for ordinary Iranians isn't going to change anything as long as the army and revolutionary guard stay loyal to the criminals in power.

> Iran is one of those dictatorships where the majority of the population already dislikes (or plain hates) the government... Right, just like the people of Afghanistan must have hated so much the Taliban, with their cruel and tyrannic grip on power... just waiting for a saviour like the Americans to bring them up to the modern age... Well, we all know that's a load of bullshit now. The very moment the Americans left…

Many people in Iran hate their government, but they hate America more. At least the Iranian government always pulls out a “Death to America” rally as a distraction whenever it’s ion the rocks popularity wise. Internal protests show some discord, but it isn’t clear if that’s just cities and the government is still popular in more rural areas.
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