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No. His stock was near zero when he acquired (created) them. He'll pay full cap gain rates when he realizes them (which is 15% cap gains rate which is not too bad for him; I pay a lot more on my labor gains). He owes no tax until then. If you received stock worth , say, one million , you might want to sell 1/3 to pay the tax. Otherwise if stock price goes to zero you've got a million in losses to write off which is h…
…15% cap gains rate which is not too bad for him; I pay a lot more on my labor gains For people that feel that the capital gains crowd gets special treatment… How would you be with waiting 8 years for each paycheck, or being paid now in 2004 dollars ( paid 82 cents for each dollar you earn)? Part of the long term capital gains reduction is a crude compensation for inflation. In this case it fails miserably because of…
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There's certainly a lot of truth here. However, Mark Zuckerberg built the company to last. So I think it's unlikely that it will completely be marginalized. Regarding the Zuck = Jobs. Absolutely not. Yes, they are both product people. But Mark Zuckerberg does not have the same aura or doesn't necessarily have the same depth of intellectuality that Jobs (college dropout or not) had. When I see Mark Zuckerberg, I think…
" Mark Zuckerberg built the company to last. So I think it's unlikely that it will completely be marginalized." Really great point. I love the reasoning you give to back up your arbitrary statements.
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I'm going to say no. I really don't see Facebook being around in 30 years. I'd be surprised if they're not marginalised in 10 years. And other than Facebook, I'm not sure what Zuckerberg has to offer the world. If you want to know why: It's because I personally believe the future of social networks is to niche, with disparate social networks connected via a Distributed Social Networking Protocol. Your social network…
There's certainly a lot of truth here. However, Mark Zuckerberg built the company to last. So I think it's unlikely that it will completely be marginalized. Regarding the Zuck = Jobs. Absolutely not. Yes, they are both product people. But Mark Zuckerberg does not have the same aura or doesn't necessarily have the same depth of intellectuality that Jobs (college dropout or not) had. When I see Mark Zuckerberg, I think…
Bill's vision was: a computer on every desk. When he was saying this, this was very bold.
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It depends. You argument is very narrow. There are LOTS of ways to avoid paying your fair share of taxes, it depends on the situation and where the cash flows are coming from. As for the Zuckerburg situation, what he did is pretty common. Though I have heard of an alternative to selling those shares, someone in his position could use a portion of his facebook shares as leverage and get a loan to pay the tax man, then…
No, it doesn't depend. And who said anything about fair? I'm talking about obligated and compelled . > get a loan to pay the tax man Yeah, so he pays the taxes with somebody else's money. Tax man gets paid, right? Tell me the scenario where a guy pays no taxes and isn't in trouble. This is empirically verifiable, but I don't recommend conducting the research. Sorry for the tangent folks. I'm not commenting on Zuck's…
Great example: my fictional grandmother dies. She leaves me her 250 year old colonial home. Lets say that its worth $300,000.00. Lets say that for one reason or another I want to sell the home and prefer to invest that money in more real estate. I find a duplex that costs $300,000.00 (it could cost more or less, but I am keeping it the same to simplify the example) and I am reasonably certain that I can rent it out and generate a net profit per month. I find a 1031 real estate broker and set up a 1031 tax deferred exchange. Upon selling my fictionally grandmother's home for 300k, I will turn around and buy the duplex for $300. Uncle Sam get $0 in taxes. Zero. I pay the 1031 broker their fees. I paid all that I am legally bound to pay as per all the applicable tax laws in the United States. I have paid my fair share, as you called it. When I want to sell that property and most likely trade up I can keep doing the same thing and deferring the taxes indefinitely. There are further ways to minimize taxes on the rent collected, but that is beyond the scope of this simple example. There are a multitude of books on the subject discussed above and you are welcome to look up the 1031 tax code yourself.
The example above is purely to illustrate that there are in fact ways to minimize your tax burden. So as I said before, it depends.
In any case, I simply offered up an alternative which would enable Mark to keep 100% of his shares while still abiding by US tax codes. It appears you missed that point or were so obsessed with flaming me as a result of your personal opinion on tax law in the United States to grasp it. And no he doesn't pay the tax man with some else's money, he gives a creditor future cash flows in exchange for cash today to cover his capital gains that are being realized today (and again as I mentioned early only if the interest rate on the loan and his stock position is favorable for him to do so).
>Sorry for the tangent folks. I'm not commenting on Zuck's situation. The comment about not paying taxes all year is just plain wrong, and I would hate for someone to try it and get dinged. This is especially important for the newer startup people that don't have the usual single W-2 situation. That's all
Its unclear what you are referring to here. I am going to go out on a limb that while failing to grasp my own argument you went ahead and tried to insert words in my mouth as well. I never said he would avoid paying taxes all year, once again, he would be paying his taxes today with the loan, according to the analogy I put forward. I am not sure where you get off flaming someone on HN, this is not how to conduct an intelligent conversation here or anywhere else for that matter.
Good day.
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Yes and no. I think he is a visionary CEO that knows how to get things done, but he's an engineer, while jobs was not. I think that Jeff Bezos is more Jobs than Zuckerberg is, but who knows.
Jobs did work for Atari, and they trusted him enough to do design circuit boards so IMO he was probably a competent electrical engineer. However, he did use Wozniak who was ridiculously good at circuit design so he could focus on other things. Still IMO, that's like having Einstein help with your math homework if it's an option you take it.
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Yes and no. I think he is a visionary CEO that knows how to get things done, but he's an engineer, while jobs was not. I think that Jeff Bezos is more Jobs than Zuckerberg is, but who knows.
Jobs did work for Atari, and they trusted him enough to do design circuit boards so IMO he was probably a competent electrical engineer. However, he did use Wozniak who was ridiculously good at circuit design so he could focus on other things. Still IMO, that's like having Einstein help with your math homework if it's an option you take it.
>However, he did use Wozniak who was ridiculously good at circuit design so he could focus on other things.
You contradicted yourself there...Woz was the competent EE, not Jobs.
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I'm going to say no. I really don't see Facebook being around in 30 years. I'd be surprised if they're not marginalised in 10 years. And other than Facebook, I'm not sure what Zuckerberg has to offer the world. If you want to know why: It's because I personally believe the future of social networks is to niche, with disparate social networks connected via a Distributed Social Networking Protocol. Your social network…
I'm a massive proponent of the Distributed Social Networking Protocol concept, but since Diaspora tanked no one else seems to be picking up the mantle and Google/Yahoo/Microsoft don't look like they're going to roll out anything resembling an open SN protocol any time soon I wonder if it will ever happen.
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Why use BB to represent billion, as opposed to one B? Seems unnecessary.
It's standard English.
MM is semi-standard English, at least in the US, because M can be confused with the M used for one thousand.
But B doesn't get confused with anything, and I've never seen BB written anywhere before this..