Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why can't you play BeatSaber without mods?
because they want to use songs they didn't pay for
How do you know that??
Meta Horizon OS
161–170 of 813 posts
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#162This is interesting, hopefully it gets more HMD options out there, but even better get more developers making ar/vr games. Was the OS a limiting factor in any of this, though? I've only used a Vive and my Oculus 2 and 3 so I'm not sure what other HMDs use, I assumed some Android distro that just connects to steamvr/openxr/whatever. Are Asus, Lenovo and Xbox really trying to get into the vr/ar ecosystem? Are they goin…
the advantage of using meta’s OS is that you get the whole Meta Quest Store library (or, i guess, Meta Horizon Store) meanwhile before, you’d have to convince devs to manually publish for your platform
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#163"we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms." - I feel like this might be the rub of this. Google is way behind in building the android of spatial computing, and maybe this can play into the trust busting cases where meta can show Google not playing fair?
It sounds to me Meta is terrified of Apple and they needs apps sooner rather than later.
from what I've read on the internet they've been asking for this for a long time but google is blocking it, even before there were rumors of the apple headset.
As a user you can already sideload android APKs, I've tried it works great, but you also need to install apps that manage android permissions since you can't grant them through the quest settings.
having the android store there + integrations where android app devs can make the app VR ready would be a big plus. But, the blocker is that google still has ambitions of making some sort of big comeback on the android VR space and therefore are in direct competition with meta.
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#164> And we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms.
It sounds like they are specifically not open to third party app stores selling native AR/VR ("3D") apps. I can see why Google might not want to participate if they're not allowed to compete.
This feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when complaining about closed platforms while running one themselves. But they aren't open sourcing the OS. I don't know why any OEMs would want to compete with Meta's hardware subsidized by app store revenue when they continue to own the exclusive store for native AR/VR apps. Maybe there's an app revenue share to sweeten the deal for hardware partners?
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#165Official blog post: https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/introducing-our-open-mixed... Short video from Zuckerberg: https://twitter.com/NathieVR/status/1782436898654273981 This is an interesting move and feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when complaining about closed platforms while running one themselves. But this isn't open source. I don't know why any OEMs would want to compete with Meta's…
Yeah, if it was "we acknowledge that is bad for hardware to have one installation path" and they were allowing itch.io to have an indie VR store that might be cool but they are very much not.
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#166Notable by it's absence: ML/AI
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#167Is it based on some prior art (BSD, Linux...), or a new proprietary OS written from scratch? The post is not too rich in actual information, beside that now other tech-giants can use it too...
I can't recall when I first heard the name "OS" used to mean just another linux distro, whereas my increasingly old-man brain expects the term OS to mean a unique kernel, not a repackaging of a different one. Certainly by the 2010s that usage was common. I feel like these days some would even call something an "OS" if it's running in a docker container, without providing any kernel at all. Which is to say the meaning…
From personal experience as far back as the 80's (and from my understanding going back before that as well), OS has never meant kernel.
An Operating System is the collection of software that allows you to operate a computer, so that means kernel, program loader, simple text editor, simple disk management, etc.
As computer users became more savvy, and hardware became more powerful, more and more functionality was included in the OS (graphical interfaces, utility apps, etc.).
I don't think many people would have trouble calling Android an operating system, and that's just the Linux kernel with utility apps, loader, and app libraries, yet very different from something like Redhat.
I don't think it's a stretch in the least to call Horizon an OS.
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#168I was hoping to open this and see screenshots of what the OS looked like—I have never had a sense of what the OS for Meta's headsets is, only what individual games look like.
Instead, we get five (5) "Not an actual product render" illustrations.
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#169I don't care what these people do, I'll never use one of their products unless it is to literally save someone's life.
Re: Meta Horizon OS
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think he is working on turning that trend around (see Llama).
Yeah right, he's donating all those GPUs to rebuild his reputation. It has nothing to do with trying to be relevant as a non-market leader.
On the podcast with Dwarkesh Patel, he was quite explicit that he believes that open-sourcing has worked out for them in the past and they're interested in it in the future but they'll only do it so long as it helps them. If they make something awesome that it would be worse for them to release he won't release it. And the license is anti-competitor (if you have 700 million users or more, you can't use Llama) so he's quite clear that this is a business decision.