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OpenAI is a nonprofit which changes most motivations for the board. They are ultimately tasked with preserving the mission rather than profit which cases Altman in a very poor light here. There is a for profit subsidiary which Microsoft invested 13 billion in, but that can't return money to board members only Altman and it's investors.
OpenAI is a nonprofit Do people really still believe this?
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I still don’t understand the safety concerns. I see a 0% chance that we can control a superhuman AI. What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Alignment meaning that people would think of ants first instead of whatever their current ranking is. Maybe they’re in the top 10000 priorities
Can you describe how it would be uncontrollable to us? Everyone says this but no one has any details. Also, > What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? I think humans aren't _not_ aligned with ants. I don't go out searching to destroy all ants, or really worry at all, we just kinda coexist.
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> it was against the interests of most of the employees there I think you're forgetting what the entire mission of OpenAI is
I have never taken any of that stuff seriously and don't know why anybody else does either. Certainly, labor at OpenAI does not seem to have, either. Look, the board could have held the line, and then died when every one of their employees jumped ship. But nobody can say OpenAI's labor owed anything to the mission. They're all free agents, just like us. Real easy to say that someone else should take a pay cut to serv…
Sam, Ilya, Mira, Elon, and the rest of the founding team do.
> Look, the board could have held the line, and then died when every one of their employees jumped ship.
Wouldn't contribute towards the mission, again.
> But nobody can say OpenAI's labor owed anything to the mission.
Sure, they could leave, they're not slaves. But that's the entire problem here, and why the board attempted to fire him. He's subverting the mission by putting in the exact same $ mercenary incentives that cause the whole problem OpenAI's charter is trying to prevent.
OpenAI is founded and led by a charter that profit-focused AGI arms race will lead to dangerous outcomes for all of society. If you wanted to be greedy and max your $ just go work for Meta. Don't be surprised when it's whole axis of control tries to do things that aren't "make my money go up."
They hired an external firm to review the suitability of Altman and Brockman and it also reviewed 30k documents. I wonder how they managed to review that many documents in a few months. The outcome is very predictable anyway. Without Altman/Brockman OpenAI is dead. This explains why the instigators of the ousting (Mira Murati and Ilya Sutskever) supported the return of the 2 people who purposely violated the goals of…
Doc review is something attorneys do all the time and 30k isn’t a crazy amount.
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It’s not that clear-cut. “Greed” as defined this way is one of the main drives making people do things. They go out into the world and exert themselves in order to acquire wealth, power, and renown. It’s a core part of what has produced civilization from out of the darkness of total animal-like ignorance. The inventors, makers, statesmen, pioneers, explorers of history… what do you think was motivating them? What do…
I agree that greed plays a role in civilization, but I think your read on human history is overly simplistic in an important way. A great deal of what has driven civilization forward are the people who are driven by curiosity. People like Archimedes, Plato, Newton, Einstein. Not to mention the millions of curious nameless folks who improved the boat, the spear, the wheel, the book. Folks like RMS without whom I doubt…
I wasn’t saying greed is the only driver.
Edit: I’d also add, I think it’s a false romanticism to think that people like Einstein and other great thinkers and creators were not without the lower drives like greed and lust. If you think about all of the stages of their lives, and all of the actions and endeavors that led to them advancing their fields, greed and lust would have been interleaved as drivers of many of those actions. Maybe one year Einstein just had a bigger fire lit under his feet because he was trying to impress a girl. Or he worked harder one year because he needed the money.
Then you have people like Edison who were certainly motivated by greed and the lust for power. You have the industrialists like Carnegie who built the railroads. Then you have all of the workers across generations who did all of the work… how much of that work was driven by the “selfish and intense” desire for money?
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Or the more cynical take that this is the natural course all parties take when they discover themselves atop a large pile of money. The board was just outmaneuvered.
What "maneuver"? They don't appear to have had to do anything to win.
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Nah, I think Microsoft will end up buying some form of assets off of OpenAI (it's a non-profit with odd corporate governance that Altman doesn't own stock in, so I don't think they'll buy the whole company) for an extremely exorbitant price. Altman will put in some ambitious but clueless Microsoft manager to run it and move on to his next thing. Then it'll turn out that Gen AI is dramatically overhyped and the real-w…
Your appraisal seems to stem from a lot of people's disillusionment with the whole OpenAI thing: namely that GenAI is a hype train and will fade away as a gimmicky toy with limited real world-use cases. It's interesting seeing that perspective, because while I think it's based on a comparison of GenAI with prior "change everything" hype trains (VR, crypto), it's clearly not the same, and you and most people really do…
So instead of hedging and saying "it's going to change some things", you play into the "it's going to change everything?". Its stereotypical grandstanding when nobody really knows what is going to happen. The AI bros and AI deniers are both exhausting crowds.
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I have never taken any of that stuff seriously and don't know why anybody else does either. Certainly, labor at OpenAI does not seem to have, either. Look, the board could have held the line, and then died when every one of their employees jumped ship. But nobody can say OpenAI's labor owed anything to the mission. They're all free agents, just like us. Real easy to say that someone else should take a pay cut to serv…
> I have never taken any of that stuff seriously Sam, Ilya, Mira, Elon, and the rest of the founding team do. > Look, the board could have held the line, and then died when every one of their employees jumped ship. Wouldn't contribute towards the mission, again. > But nobody can say OpenAI's labor owed anything to the mission. Sure, they could leave, they're not slaves. But that's the entire problem here, and why the…