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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by tempodox »

TillE wrote: post #19
ajross wrote: post #3

This is just so weird to watch. Apple is literally throwing a tantrum on a continent-wide stage. Like, it's one attempt at escalation after another, and they keep losing (either their legal fights, or their nerve) and having to reverse course. Like, there's no strategy at all here? Just keep swinging and hope you land a blow that breaks through the armor? This is how my 15 year old plays VR games.

That's the confusing part. With the DMA policy at least there's a strategy, even if it's a strategy that will ultimately be rejected as non-compliant. Picking these petty fights or whining about getting fined is not helpful, certainly not to Apple and their shareholders. It's hard not to conclude that Apple leadership is making stupid emotional decisions rather than rational ones, which is especially dumb when you're…

My impression is they got used to just bullying everyone into submission by virtue of their market power and they found an opponent where that won't work. Now everyone can see that the emperor has no clothes.

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Post by ametrau »

throwaway118899 wrote: post #127
andy_ppp wrote: post #92

I’m so tired of this Apple tax, I think nobody would be this annoyed if Apple were saying 10% or something around that. 30% is more than most companies pay in tax on profits and this is a tax on revenue. I don’t think abusing your market position like some kind of protection racket should be allowed and if you don’t like it we’ll delete your App is quite frankly just as bad as the mafia smashing in shop windows. I do…

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“Ummmmmmmm akshully you’re not forced to use duopoly A’s marketplace, you can go to B as well”

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by corytheboyd »

ajross wrote: post #3

This is just so weird to watch. Apple is literally throwing a tantrum on a continent-wide stage. Like, it's one attempt at escalation after another, and they keep losing (either their legal fights, or their nerve) and having to reverse course. Like, there's no strategy at all here? Just keep swinging and hope you land a blow that breaks through the armor? This is how my 15 year old plays VR games.

Trying again and again until you get what you want seems to be how it works. Seems to be the same for when adversarial change causes enough public backlash. Oh no we were called out for , let’s wait a few months and try again, until it gets through unnoticed enough to show up on the radar.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by donatzsky »

andruby wrote: post #153
stale2002 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulators immediately started calling for an investigation and we're going to look into Apple’s termination of Epic’s developer account as a matter of priority.

I’d like to believe that, and it’s probably true. Do you have a source though?

The EU did say that they would look into this. Several articles in all the usual places. Doubt they got far enough to actually consider a fine, though.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by layer8 »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #15

Not trying to start a flame war, I'm asking this earnestly. Where does this command over hardware (USB-C mandate), software (sideloading/AppStore), and prices (recent 2bn decision) end?

Where smartphones end effectively being a public utility, is my guess.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by corytheboyd »

w4 wrote: post #148

Between this and the PWA decision, Apple seems to be flailing. What is leadership doing?

Right? They make so much money, what’s the deal. Seems like they let the MBAs take over. I get that not all money they make is liquid, but a rounding error to Apple would be enough money to change someone’s life.

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Post by Negitivefrags »

ziddoap wrote: post #107
lozenge wrote: post #43

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Where does the command over minimum wages, minimum maternity leave and minimum consumer warranty end? Where democracy decides it ends.

Apple is in the wrong here, at least in my opinion, but equating the ability to have a 2nd app store on your iPhone and the end of democracy is... wow. Edit: Misread the comment, sorry.

He didn't say anything about the end of democracy. Apparently the media zeitgeist is so strong with this now that even just saying "Democracy" triggers the thought.

All he said is that it's the democratically elected officals that decide what laws companies have to obey. Just as they decide everything else about what what laws people have to obey.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by [deleted] »

ajross wrote: post #3

This is just so weird to watch. Apple is literally throwing a tantrum on a continent-wide stage. Like, it's one attempt at escalation after another, and they keep losing (either their legal fights, or their nerve) and having to reverse course. Like, there's no strategy at all here? Just keep swinging and hope you land a blow that breaks through the armor? This is how my 15 year old plays VR games.

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by usr1106 »

Vespasian wrote: post #122
adastra22 wrote: post #102

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I don't think monopoly is the right word here.

True. I like the term "gatekeeper" the EU defines and uses. Combined with the "must be very big" requirement it better fits what is going on in the tech world.

Vendor lock-in is what wecall it in the IT-sector.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by Muromec »

Vespasian wrote: post #73
mik1998 wrote: post #36

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In Europe unlike in America the government makes regulations that benefit the general public. That's it.

That's probably to generalised since the EU is still a political entity with lots of lobbying from different sides. But in this case benefiting the general public is easy because it does not hit a European company ( production in China, development in America) that is working hard to extract money which it sends abroad while avoiding paying taxes here (probably legally). A good opportunity to reign Apple and friends…

Different sides there being Microsoft.
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