The title is “ Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing AI trade secrets while working with Chinese companies”
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exactly, this guy understands how business in China works.
How do you imagine this works, western government can’t manage potholes but CCP beurocrats can manage AI, Car production and solar panel production and beat our companies? Are they superhuman?
actually got some government shill who can't even spell to respond. touch a nerve?
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
exactly, this guy understands how business in China works.
How do you imagine this works, western government can’t manage potholes but CCP beurocrats can manage AI, Car production and solar panel production and beat our companies? Are they superhuman?
Bureaucrats in different countries operate at very different levels of efficiency. e.g. Germany vs Italy
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Most F50 companies will not hire those without citizenship and will be reluctant to hire talent born in China to protect trade secrets. The number of Chinese students at the local BIG!) university by me is a fraction of what it was in 2019. Companies are well aware of the risks now.
Maybe you should look at some compsci papers coming out of US universities, and tell us what percentage of those are authored by Indian and Chinese students.
> authored by Indian and Chinese students
There's no reason for xenophobia.
Plenty of ethnic Chinese and Indian people become or aim to become US citizens, and contribute.
30-40 years ago it was Russians, Israelis, and Japanese who were the stereotypical foreigner in graduate STEM programs.
You'll also notice a direct correlation between Chinese visa backlogs and the rising return of Chinese expats to China in the 2000s.
A similar thing happened to Israelis and Koreans in the 1990s and is starting to happen with Indians now in the 2020s.
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#167This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.
Did that person just go around disclosing their plan?
I think if someone actually had government handlers asking them to do this, most of those people wouldn't blab about it to their school chums. But there's a subset of people with grandiose delusions / general behavior problems who feel a compulsion to tell everyone about their grand plans/machinations to become rich and powerful.
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>I don't believe it would be legal for "enhanced background checks" on someone in the hiring process because they are Chinese American, It absolutely would be legal if AI was recategorized as ITAR. In 2022, dual citizenship was cracked down on in ITAR regulations and dual(or more) citizen individuals must now be deeply vetted for contact with ITAR Section 126.1 countries which include China.
I am by no means an expert at all, however my very basic understanding is that ITAR is primarily concerned with important/export controls? Even if AI was added but the specific staffing was to a project was totally unrelated to something that would be imported or exported (this guy was an infra guy it looks like?), would that apply?
I'm no expert either, but from living through the painful days of ITAR and encryption, it only matters that some technology/information can be used for military purpose for it to be restricted. For years we couldn't distribute the code for AES above 128 due to ITAR, even though it was widely and easily available all over the internet.
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If US prevented Chinese people for working on US AI, US would be in a far worse position in AI. Half of AI contributors in US are Chinese.
Why do they bother spying on us if they’re so far ahead then?
Probably because most of China's top talent leaves.
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Did that person just go around disclosing their plan?
I think if someone actually had government handlers asking them to do this, most of those people wouldn't blab about it to their school chums. But there's a subset of people with grandiose delusions / general behavior problems who feel a compulsion to tell everyone about their grand plans/machinations to become rich and powerful.
Reminds me of that scene from Silicon Valley where Jian Yang has a bunch of new startup ideas on his whiteboard