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Intuitive Machines successfully lands on the Moon

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Re: Intuitive Machines successfully lands on the Moon

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> lot of the things described there required completely novel approaches that would be very difficult to replicate in deindustrialized United States of 2024 Give me one example. > cost of all this would be absolutely astronomical, far more so than it was back then Inflation adjusted, the Saturn V was a $45bn project [1]. That's a mulitiple of the total capital SpaceX has raised (or been granted). [1] https://apollo11…

I’ll bite. The capability in the US to do large castings and forgings is basically gone. Good luck getting anything with a lead time of less than a couple years. In some cases, it simply can’t be done. That’s why we’re seeing so much investment into large scale additive manufacturing. It’s interesting how this has become such a problem again. Post WW2, the US dismantled massive, basically building size hydraulic pres…

> capability in the US to do large castings and forgings is basically gone

This is true but irrelevant to space flight. We don’t fly big cast or forged parts.

Saturn V contained aluminium cast parts, but nothing we can’t make today [1]. (To my knowledge, no components were built in our WWII-era forges.) Modern carbon composites and aluminium alloys are superior, and we’re in the process of surpassing the Saturn V’s capabilities in SpaceX’s Starship.

[1] https://evergreene.com/pdf/evergreene_saturn-v-rocket.pdf

Re: Intuitive Machines successfully lands on the Moon

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It's easy enough until your fuel budget gets tight: http://moonlander.seb.ly

Been loving Lunar Lander ever since I played it in the 1980's. That is a very faithful version. I always loved how ti zoomed in when you got close to the terrain. (And that large throttle you used to control the thrust.) As a kid it was like impossible for me to play. Now it is just ... challenging. My voxel tribute: https://mooncraft2000.com

Very nice, bookmarked.

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https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1760838333851148442 > After troubleshooting communications, flight controllers have confirmed Odysseus is upright and starting to send data. Right now, we are working to downlink the first images from the lunar surface.

They think it landed sideways now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWEwR8fscFY

Re: Intuitive Machines successfully lands on the Moon

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How is needing to train young people the same as deindustrialization exactly?

It's the taking engineers out of retirement that's deindustrialization. A properly industrialized nation would have an active program with educators in the prime of their career to do the educating, and not need to pull someone out of retirement because there wasn't a need for them to train their replacements until after they'd retired.

That's not what a "properly industrialized nation" is, and it's an impossibly high bar.

There are always going to be bits of technology and training that seem to no longer be needed for modern products. And sometimes, some new product will need to resurrect one or more of them.

The idea that there's an "active program" to train people on literally every previous engineering practice ever created isn't feasible.

Re: Intuitive Machines successfully lands on the Moon

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What will be the legal ramifications? Will we have wars over territory on the Moon?

Not anytime soon. The moons is still expensive to get to, unlikely to even become self sustaining (and thus expensive to support long term), and AFAIK doesn't have any resources we cannot get cheaper on earth. There will likely be constant attempts to go to the moon because it is close, interesting to science, and a good practice for missions to elsewhere - but there is enough space that anyone who cares to go will j…

Water is one resource of interest. In particular every kilo of it we can find on the moon is a kilo we don't have to drag out of earth's gravity well.
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