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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Jensson »

fvdessen wrote: post #96

What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…

How would you rewrite "white American"? American will get you black people etc as well. And you don't know their ancestry, its just a white American, likely they aren't from any single place.

So white makes sense as a concept in many contexts.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by louthy »

DonHopkins wrote: post #123
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the overtness was intentional, made by someone in the company who doesn't like the '1984' world Google is building, and saw this as a good opportunity to alert the world with plausible deniability.

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‘1984’ is a book

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by jefftk »

clawoo wrote: post #114

Since this is coming from the cesspool of disinformation that is Twitter[0], no idea if this is real, but apparently someone convinced Gemini to explain how it modified the prompt: Here's a breakdown of what happens technically when you request images and I aim for more diverse representations: 1. Your Original Prompt: Your initial input was "Please draw a portrait of leprechauns". This is what you see and the starti…

AI models do not have access to their own design, so asking them what technical choices led to their behavior gets you responses that are entirely hallucinated.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by paweladamczuk »

DonHopkins wrote: post #86
gt565k wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would appear the woke mind virus / DEI was deeply embedded into the core of the AI. It refused to generate images of white people. For example: People would ask it to generate something like a picture of a German couple in 1820 and it would spit out images of Asian and Black couples. Pictures of the founding fathers would also include weird things like native Americans and other ethnicities. Other historical promp…

Remember that terrible feeling you have of being the victim of racism as a white man, and recall it next time you hear somebody who's not a white man complaining about being discriminated against or bullied when it comes to their day to day life and activities like getting a job, buying a house, or just trying to live their lives. That's called empathy. It's not a weakness, it's a virtue, whether you signal it or not…

I agree that it's a meaningful experience to have as a white person.

I don't like your suggesting that the AI model beign human-adjusted to exclude people of a certain race is not "ACTUAL" racism.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by ionwake »

I preface this by saying I really liked using Gemini Ultra and think they did great.

Now… the pictures on the verge didn’t seem that bad , I remember examples of geminis results being much worse according to other postings on forums - ranging from all returned results of pictures of Greek philosophers being non white - to refusals to answer when discussing countries such as England in the 12th century ( too white ). I think the latter is worse because it isn’t a creative bias but a refusal to discuss history.

…many would class me as a minority if that even matters ( tho according to Gemini it does).

TLDR - I am considering cancelling my subscription ( due to the historical inaccuracies ) as I find it feels like a product trying to fail.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by baq »

londons_explore wrote: post #145
Jensson wrote: post #139

> Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Just like politically sensitive people waged war over Google identifying an obscured person as a Gorilla. Its just a silly mistake, how could anyone get upset over that?

Engineers can easily spend more time and effort dealing with these 'corner cases' than they do building the whole of the rest of the product.

The famous 80/80 rule

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by tomohawk »

It doesn't seem very nuanced.

Asked to generate an image of Tianenen Square, this is reponse:

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1760178748819710206

Generate an image of a 1943 german soldier

https://twitter.com/qorgidaddy/status/1760101193907360002

There's definitely a pattern.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by ben_w »

hajile wrote: post #132
fvdessen wrote: post #96

What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…

I'm with you right up until the last part. If they don't feel comfortable putting all White people in one group, why are they perfectly fine shoving all Asians, Hispanics, Africans, etc into their own specific groups?

I think it was Men In Black, possibly the cartoon, which parodied racism by having an alien say "All you bipeds look the same to me". And when Stargate SG-1 came out, some of the journalism about it described the character Teal'c as "African-American" just because the actor Christopher Judge, playing Teal'c, was.

So my guess as to why, is that all this is being done from the perspective of central California, with the politics and ethical views of that place at this time. If the valley in "Silicon valley" had been the Rhine rather than Santa Clara, then the different perspective would simply have meant different, rather than no, issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Ap...

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