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Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by kazinator »

niederman wrote: post #119
freediver wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't know that and thanks for giving us the idea. Aibó sounds much better than Sidekick, we may need to rename :)

Please don't write it Aibó, though. The proper romanization is Aibō or Aibou. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepburn_romanization#Long_vo...

Unfortunately, neither English nor Japanese IME's on desktops provide any way to type Hepburn that isn't extremely awkward. E.g. on Windows if you want to type Tōkyō, you have to be in Hiragana mode, go letter by letter and pick from a list.

Since I'm originally from Slovakia, I used my Slovak IME, which is convenient for me.

Incidentally, Slovak has its own romanization of Japanese, which uses almost nothing but Slovak letters and diacritics (plus "w").

Wikipedia pages about 九州 and 四国:

https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kjúšu

https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šikoku

The Hepburn system is an Americanism. Americans don't own the Roman alphabet or the way it should be applied to Japanese. Though Hepburn has official status in that it is taught in Japan, and used for the benefit of visitors. E.g. signs giving names of train stations or government buildings or what have you.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by vasco »

tempusalaria wrote: post #152
vasco wrote: post #143

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The only way to make that stenography robust is to have the encoded message be generated with some secret key that can be verified. Otherwise anyone could manually fake the stenography into human typed messages assisted by some encoder and you'd have no way of telling if it was really typed by an LLM. That line of thinking is what makes it have to be like a signature to work like you said for "any sentence". I also t…

If you look here : GitHub.com/HNx1/IdentityLM you can see that it’s relatively easy to sign LLM output with a private key using an adaptation of the watermarking method.

This application is exactly what I was describing. I'll look it over to see how it scales the encryption strength based on token length or how it deals with short messages, which is the only thing I'd think it'd be very hard to do. If you print 2 paragraphs it's easy to change some tokens with a secret key mask but if you print "Yes", it's not so easy. Thanks for the great share.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by kazinator »

helboi4 wrote: post #144
niederman wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't write it Aibó, though. The proper romanization is Aibō or Aibou. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepburn_romanization#Long_vo...

Fr what sort of romanisation system uses an acute accent for that. It's much more akin to the latin flat accent. But in reality just leaving off an accent or using the u is more convenient for typing.

A number of European languages use ó for indicating the long vowel o, rather than stress: Czech, Slovak, Polish, Icelandic, Irish, ...

According to Wiktionary, ō is used as a long vowel in two Latvian languages, and in Swedish as a hand-written form of ö (not always a long vowel). Also in Silesian, a language in a region of what is now Poland.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by Springtime »

freediver wrote: post #151
Springtime wrote: post #88

The demo docs site says the feature is only available to 'Ultimate' members, while the linked page is ambiguous. Is it the case that Sidekick is only available for such Kagi members?

> The demo docs site says the feature is only available to 'Ultimate' members Can you share a link to the page that says so (not correctly).

Sure. I clicked the docs demo URL[1] linked from the Sidekick page, then typed in the search box `what is Sidekick`, which returned the following:

> Kagi Sidekick is a helpful and cheerful assistant that assists users in finding the information they want on the Kagi website. It is a product feature backed by Kagi Search and large language models. Kagi Sidekick is currently in open beta and is only available to Ultimate plan members.

The page it linked to was this[2], which stated similarly to the latter line above, except 'Sidekick' swapped to 'Assistant'. I had assumed from this that Sidekick had been renamed sometime recently or something.

> Kagi Assistant is currently in open beta only available to Ultimate plan members.

[1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/

[2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

thrownaway163 wrote: post #138
Repulsion9513 wrote: post #77

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They want to index companies that sell products. I don't see a big problem here if a company that sells a product I'm searching for, who happens to also have low-quality SEO content, shows up in that search. In fact, I would rather they not get penalized for it, since low-quality SEO content is a good way to show up in certain other search engines (Google), and every business wants to show up in Google, making that c…

As someone who in a past life spent loads of time doing of SEO I cannot help but find this argument flawed. So, we shouldn’t penalize low quality, SEO, spam because of people’s wants? I do want them to penalize those sites because they are a disservice and more often than not crappy, unsecured WordPress that drowns out those that are not spam. Thank you Kagi team! A shame how far Google’s results have fallen. Edit: a…

What is the goal of search? Isn't it to deliver the results that people want to see from their query? So... yeah.

> they are a disservice and more often than not crappy, unsecured WordPress that drowns out those that are not spam

What does that have to do with "reputable businesses making a quality product" as my comment said?

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by sedatk »

j7ake wrote: post #112
sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

chatgpt is on the extreme side: you only get immediate answers without the webpage

> immediate answers

wildly varying in accuracy :)

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by leokennis »

sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

If you are looking for an answer, not a web page per se, type "!quick your question".

As an example: https://kagi.com/search?q=most+deadly+battle+in+world+war+1&...

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by __rito__ »

freediver wrote: post #12

Kagi founder here. This is very early (alpha) concept built by a single Kagi Labs developer in a few weeks. The proper infrastruture and product is not built yet. We are launching a prototype to get feedback and gauge demand. Why does this exist? It would be an efficient way for us to build and expand our own index. Assuming users of this would be Kagi users, we would expand our index by tens of thousands of high qua…

Hi Vlad, would you consider providing subscription via never expiring model to Kagi search? No need to lower prices, but, say, X searches in Y dollars? But the search quota never expires? Like the OpenAI API model.

If you offered such subscription, it would motivate me very highly to buy a subscription.

With the monthly price, can't really afford it.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by pbronez »

lurking_swe wrote: post #73
lauriewired wrote: post #67

Any chance you'd consider making a version of this as a browser extension for paid subscribers? What I really want is this functionality on unsupported websites/documentation. It would be killer to "ask" kagi a fact about the article or docs I'm already reading, even if it only traverses/parses the single page.

i think this would do what you want: https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html now just need to build an extension :)

Here’s an iOS shortcut that adds a “Summarize with Kagi” option to the share menu

https://www.routinehub.co/shortcut/16912/

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by pbronez »

Springtime wrote: post #88

The demo docs site says the feature is only available to 'Ultimate' members, while the linked page is ambiguous. Is it the case that Sidekick is only available for such Kagi members?

This is their standard roll out strategy.

The feature is in Alpha. They use the Ultimate tier as an early testing group. One thing you’re paying for at that tier is access to stuff like this fresh out of the lab.

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