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Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by SigmundA »

matsemann wrote: post #149
monkin wrote: post #83

I wonder how the EU will respond when high-ranking politicians fall victim to third-party app store scams or experience significant data leaks exploited through other browsers. Given that they're not particularly tech-savvy, it raises questions about their preparedness for such situations, and who they will blame for it.

You don't have to wonder, as Android has had this model for years. So that should help you predict. Hint: not an issue.

Seems like an issue, such that they are testing ways to disable certain side loaded apps: https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/07/google-starts-blocking-use...

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by makeitdouble »

Angostura wrote: post #2

A lot of this article appears to be based on the belief that the security architecture of iOS and MacOS are identical. This seems ... an unlikely assumption

Parent's point is that Apple successfuly maintains two different security levels for mac and iOS, and claiming that it absolutely can't lower iOS at any cost is just Apple's opinion.

For sure Apple doesn't like the macos security model and would want way tighter control on what's allowed to run, if it could get away with it. But it's not about what Apple wants, it's about what they're asked to do.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by monkin »

matsemann wrote: post #149
monkin wrote: post #83

I wonder how the EU will respond when high-ranking politicians fall victim to third-party app store scams or experience significant data leaks exploited through other browsers. Given that they're not particularly tech-savvy, it raises questions about their preparedness for such situations, and who they will blame for it.

You don't have to wonder, as Android has had this model for years. So that should help you predict. Hint: not an issue.

Never seen high-profile politician with an Android device.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by Hizonner »

monkin wrote: post #83

I wonder how the EU will respond when high-ranking politicians fall victim to third-party app store scams or experience significant data leaks exploited through other browsers. Given that they're not particularly tech-savvy, it raises questions about their preparedness for such situations, and who they will blame for it.

So Apple needs total control over the entire world, because high-ranking politicians are too stupid to take care of themselves?

I mean, if they had the choice not to buy Apple, they might buy something that they're unprepared to handle, so what you're saying necessarily implies that they have no non-Apple choices at all, or at least no choices that aren't just as locked down as Apple and run in just as hidebound a way.

With all sincerity, fuck you and fuck everybody who thinks like you.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by monkin »

Hizonner wrote: post #165
monkin wrote: post #83

I wonder how the EU will respond when high-ranking politicians fall victim to third-party app store scams or experience significant data leaks exploited through other browsers. Given that they're not particularly tech-savvy, it raises questions about their preparedness for such situations, and who they will blame for it.

So Apple needs total control over the entire world, because high-ranking politicians are too stupid to take care of themselves? I mean, if they had the choice not to buy Apple, they might buy something that they're unprepared to handle, so what you're saying necessarily implies that they have no non-Apple choices at all, or at least no choices that aren't just as locked down as Apple and run in just as hidebound a wa…

> With all sincerity, fuck you and fuck everybody who thinks like you.

Thank you.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by Hizonner »

monkin wrote: post #164
matsemann wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to wonder, as Android has had this model for years. So that should help you predict. Hint: not an issue.

Never seen high-profile politician with an Android device.

Well, admittedly that's pretty good evidence for your position that high-ranking politicians are stupid. But it also shows that high-ranking politicians won't stray outside Apple's little world even if given the opportunity, so there's no problem to begin with.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by devnullbrain »

robenkleene wrote: post #159
devnullbrain wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conspicuously not noting how much Apple value the $89 billion they made on app store commissions last year.

I don't think that's some big secret, but also irrelevant to the point I'm making. I said Apple believes that they're security model on the iPhone is important to it's popularity. Apple making a bunch of money on the App Store does not contribute to the iPhone's popularity, therefore it's not relevant to my original statement. What you are really trying to say is that Apple doesn't actually believe the security model…

Not only do I think it's relevant, I think it's the whole point. The security argument is the outcome of finding the most useful, contentious point that would support them continuing to make the gobs of money. It's the same way 'think of the children' is used for arguing in favour of various types of censorship - everyone in the know is aware it's not the real reason but we live in a society where calling someone out for BSing is considered rude, or bad politics. So the rest of us have to nod along while being treated as fools.

The TAM is saturated. Taking share from Android is difficult. Making more humans use smartphones is difficult. Making more humans is difficult. Extracting more rent is not. So the idea that the security is more important for future revenues than the ability to exploit the userbase doesn't hold up, particularly when there isn't and can't be an alternative with a different security model.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by devnullbrain »

dwighttk wrote: post #163
devnullbrain wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Follow the law.

Thankfully it is only a bad law in the European Union.

And it's a good law elsewhere? :)

You're also welcome not to buy a phone for your parents. It would be disingenuous for me to suggest you actually do so, because we all make choices under duress or with limited options.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by makeitdouble »

xandrius wrote: post #132
hahamaster wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why? What does an iPhone have, hardware-wise, that a Samsung or Xiaomi phone does not?

I'm an Android user (I like having freedom on my phone), but iPhone definitely have higher build quality (the materials are just better). Re-Saleability, you can sell them at decent prices. And in terms of new hardware, often Apple brings forth new features and the rest follows. And don't get me started on macbooks, I keep going back to them as basically everything is better there (except repairability and upgradeabi…

> iPhone definitely have higher build quality (the materials are just better)

With a glass panel on the back ?

I'm perplexed on where Apple's materials are better than the Galaxy S Ultra series for instance. If anything Samsung's hardware is usually more advanced than Apple's, while their software is what kills the deal.

Macbooks build quality is also IMO overrated, they are shiny and clean looking, quality control is top notch, but they're pretty fragile. The screen getting imprinted by the keyboard is a pretty frequent issue for instance (mine had clear imprinted lines after less than a year). Same for the camera right behind the opening notch, the coating gets noticeably off as the machine is open/closed.

I'm comparing that to a Lenovo foldable that's still in a pretty good shape after roughly the same time, used by a teenager.

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