I Fucking Hate Jira (2022) • Hacker News Board

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by circusfly » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:23 PM UTC

blueskythinking wrote: post #103

annoyingnoob wrote: post #52

We are going to need a story for that. Be sure to set a good estimate of your effort in the form of story points. Use the Fibonacci sequence to pick the difficulty level for your story points. Your manager will then arrange your stories in priority order, Stories must be worked in priority order. At review time the number of stories and the number of points per story counts. Hurry up now.

Story points represent complexity, not difficulty. We also aim for a certain amount of story points per sprint. After 13 we leave the Fibonacci sequence and just double them. The entire team must vote on story points simultaneously to avoid affecting each other’s opinions, then must discuss the votes until we agree on a number. Stories that have sat too long in the backlog need re-pointing. Voting is now done with po…

At some places, any story higher than 5 gets split, an Epic is created and the 2 (or more) new stories are added to the new epic. I really don't get the online disdain for JIRA unless it's Microsoft employee astroturfers, almost as bad as Jetbrains and Red Hat astroturfers.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by giovanni_or2 » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:24 PM UTC

Based

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by circusfly » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:24 PM UTC

mvdtnz wrote: post #69

> If we don’t kill the staff at Atlassian, they’re gonna kill us. What the fuck is this? I don't care how much you dislike a software package, this is not ok to say. Regards, an ex-Atlassian staff member.

Agreed, doesn't seem like mods should even allow the link to be posted on a respectable site like HN.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by mablopoule » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:25 PM UTC

greencore wrote: post #65

You don't hate Jira, you hate capitalism

No.

Working on an efficient and product-oriented company can be a joy, and 100% capitalist.

Working projects that are just politically driven, or where process took over common sense, that's depressing, capitalism or not.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by tiltowait » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:26 PM UTC

wcoenen wrote: post #17

There is much worse out there. We were forced to use Rally[1] for a few years, and I'm absolutely thrilled that we're going back to Jira. [1] https://www.broadcom.com/products/software/value-stream-mana...

We're forced to use Rally. I look at Jira with envy and longing.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by mablopoule » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:28 PM UTC

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #16

Beijinger wrote: post #14

Never heard about it. You mean this product? https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ While I have not heard about Jira, Atlassian rings a bell. Not sure why.

Savor it while it lasts.

Reminded me of that tech-oriented colleague who never heard of an NFT last year.

It figured out it was best for him to continue that way.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by a1o » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:28 PM UTC

vundercind wrote: post #144

ta1243 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…

Teams would be fine with two things: 1) Let a Team channel be a normal-ass chat instead of some weird forum-in-a-chat-interface. Shit gets lost. Creating a new post feels very formal and high friction, because it’ll push everything else out of view (another, minor problem: teams’ padding and whitespace is way out of control). Make it configurable! That’s ok. The weird chat-as-forum thing is fine for a very low-traffi…

There is probably some feature request somewhere in Microsoft weird tech channel with thousands of comments and upvotes and some MS person appearing every three years to let us know they "are looking into it".

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by glial » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:29 PM UTC

I thought I hated JIRA until I moved to other companies that don't use it.

One company allowed each team to manage tasks however they liked - and therefore each team had a different method. Other companies tried to force Trello or Asana into software engineering workflows. I now think of JIRA wistfully.

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by neaumusic » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:29 PM UTC

I worked at Smartsheet for a while, and it can compete with Jira for most cases (we used Smartsheet rather than Jira internally)

Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)

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Post by _dain_ » Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 10:30 PM UTC

systems wrote: post #24

Beijinger wrote: post #14

Never heard about it. You mean this product? https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ While I have not heard about Jira, Atlassian rings a bell. Not sure why.

i wonder how common this is, and why havent you heard of it, specially that you know about this site hacker news this is almost on the same level as someone saying he never heard of subversion

Not every tech-interested person has been in that kind of corporate SWE workplace. There are students, hobbyists, scientists, artists etc here. It's a big world out there!