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Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by quickthrower2 »

amluto wrote: post #41
PreInternet01 wrote: post #7

The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…

> other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases My theory: it forces third party services into the same cloud. Suppose you use AWS and you want to pay a third party SaaS provider for some service involving moderate-to-large amounts of data. Here’s one of many examples: https://www.snowflake.com/en/data-cloud/pricing-options/ And look at this remarkable choice: you get to pick AWS…

So an anticompetitive practice.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by quickthrower2 »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

With Netlify it costs more than hiring a courier to ship an SSD that you paid for and turn up in person and copy it and deliver it next day.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by quickthrower2 »

Fripplebubby wrote: post #63
_cenw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really depends on the quality of the peering you expect. It doesn't matter, until it does. Consumer ISPs sometimes do their utmost to not peer with open exchanges, and the entire thing gets even more complex when you go to places where bandwidth is more expensive (i.e. Oceania). There's a reason the favorite chart to exemplify value Cloudflare reps like to show is Argo Smart Routing, and why it costs about $100 pe…

I agree, and I would also put forward that most people don't understand what peering is or how it works. When people (usually developers who are not network engineers and have not worked at that level of the stack) talk about "egress", they mean delivering bits from your network (cloud or otherwise) to any other network on the internet. How can you put just one price on delivering a bit either to a host within the sa…

Like to see the data on that! Would it really be cheaper if they charged granular by cost like old telephone plans where they list each country and c/min + connection charge?

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by quickthrower2 »

richardw wrote: post #145

Interesting that Google started on a system cobbled together from cheap servers, creating reliability out of unreliable components and against the Sun’s of the time. Now all the cloud vendors are effectively Sun.

Google was/is an infrastructure company (though one lens, of course it is also an ad company). Just like Amazon is a warehouse company.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by ehPReth »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

there's no way it actually costs them that much right?

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by sleepydog »

api wrote: post #92
kkielhofner wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud providers have done an incredible job creating an entire generation of people who have no knowledge of such things. $0.09/GB? I guess that’s just what it costs. Expected when you’ve never looked at, considered, or even heard of things like peering and buying transit or even co-location. Enter 95th percentile billing on a gig port for $500/mo or whatever… Same goes for hardware. Want to watch something glorious?…

A big part of the problem is that software development has wrapped itself around cloud native. Sure that metal server has brain melting performance for nothing, but try provisioning it or running it. Nobody knows how and we are dependent on stacks like K8S that require an ops team to run. The industry really found a way to stop the downward cost spiral of personal computing and bring everyone back into mainframe. Moo…

Maybe oxide can pull the needle back in the other direction -- cloud should not be the default choice for every company

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by tootie »

geor9e wrote: post #21

I had no idea it was this crazy expensive. I can host a 1 TB folder of movies on my Google Fiber internet Synology NAS website, and let my friend download it for free. But if I hosted my website on Google Cloud, they bill me $111.60? How are these cloud services getting away with this pricing?

Residential usually has some kind of hard data cap. Like if you transfer >10TB they'll just cut you off. You're also generally barred from running any kind of commercial application.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by cchance »

avereveard wrote: post #142
echelon wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

Aws transfer costs seems off by a factor of ten sticker price is $0.09-0.14 per gb depending on region how did you get 100gb for 98$?

100gb is the free 1tb is for the 98$ as the pricing based on 1tb chunks in the article

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by rezonant »

0x6c6f6c wrote: post #123
deskamess wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is 'appropriate transcoding'?

Assumedly, implementing the logic yourself for transcoding source content into various encodings on demand. If you're storing 1080p h265 MP4s in R2 and the client can only support 480p h264 it'll request that but you need to "appropriately transcode" for them. The alternative is a service that does this for you, like Cloudflare Stream. Upload source video, service handles transcoding and integrates easily with standa…

This exactly, although it's exceedingly rare to do it on demand. Typically you do it when the video is first uploaded.

That, and it's usually HLS ABR, more about that on my parent comment.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by metadat »

tootie wrote: post #167
geor9e wrote: post #21

I had no idea it was this crazy expensive. I can host a 1 TB folder of movies on my Google Fiber internet Synology NAS website, and let my friend download it for free. But if I hosted my website on Google Cloud, they bill me $111.60? How are these cloud services getting away with this pricing?

Residential usually has some kind of hard data cap. Like if you transfer >10TB they'll just cut you off. You're also generally barred from running any kind of commercial application.

The data cap thing is generally only with comcast and other tacky low-quality hall-of-mirrors bargain-bin types of cable ISPs that don't sell proper Internet connections (maybe Cocks Cable, too?).

For example, AT&T fiber has no bandwidth caps and offers symmetric 1-10 gigabit service in an ever expanding number of areas throughout the US. I pay $55/mo for 1gbps service, and have done more than 100TB/mo for many months and it's fine.

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