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Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Not as smooth as Apple.

I don’t know if that’s still true. The Music app is still sluggish, Notes has poor UX, almost every built-in app has a better third-party replacement. It has been downhill since iOS 7.

What the replacements for contacts and clock would be?

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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So a corporation acquired the platform you enjoyed using, and corrupted the user experience so much that it forced you to pay them to get the old UX back, and... you're happy about it? Sounds like Stockholm syndrome, to be honest, with Google laughing all the way to the bank.

No ads is not sustainable. It's not like the alternative is youtube remaining ad free. The alternative is youtube shutting down.

>The alternative is youtube shutting down.

We can only hope.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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While not as good as Apollo the "Dystopia for reddit" (iOS) or the "Red Reader" (android) are both better than the official reddit app.

Dystopia is excellent not only because it's free but because it is great for people with poor eyesight like myself, allowing for pretty big fonts that are broken on the official iOS Reddit App. The only alternative way I've found to achieve this is to browse Reddit with Safari and use page zoom. I'm still missing Apollo quite a lot. Narwhal2 is good and comes close but it's not exactly there.

Yo just for this incident reddit should be fined, but not peanuts, like 10-20% their revenue. Any business that discriminates disabled people mustn't be a business IMHO

Don't worry. The EU will teach them a lesson when they're done with everyone else. Thank god we have the EU to balance US.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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> So I dunno, if you can afford an expensive Apple Vision Pro, I’d really consider treating yourself to YouTube Premium! The reason I don't have premium (and one of the reasons I block ads) is that I don't want YouTube tracking my viewing habits, which I cannot prevent if I'm forced to log in to access premium. It has nothing to do with monetary cost. I'm always surprised when I see statements like this one that appe…

They track you whether you are logged in or not. I really don't think it is easy to escape their tracking.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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If you had read the article you would find that this app doesn't really need YouTube API access. It's just an iframe. It's 1998 tech.

In that case, isn’t it a race to the bottom with just someone else doing something similar? What makes this special?

Good product is first about understanding the user and the problem statement very well foremost. Most product moats are just that, everything else is a function of that.

Designing a great UX to interact with the system is the other key ingredient, that requires step 1 and also a great deal of creativity.

Anyone can copy same the features after someone as good as Christian Selig has made an app, Few can do similar or better starting on their own, especially indie developers, so he can always be ahead if he wants to.

Christian also chooses apps to work which are third party platform controlled for a reason I think. He can operate in markets like this as a extremely talented indie developer that very few competent teams with capital funding would attempt with platform risk. Beeper is the most recent example on Apple, Christian himself got burned in Reddit[1][2].

Finally he prices at a point so low that people are just paying for the brand - for a well designed reliable software which won't crash on them.

He likely will not lose all that much sales if a lower priced/free product comes out Safari browser based Youtube.com is already there .

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[1] He can afford to in the sense his monthly cash burn is very low compared to any normal company and he doesn't have 100's of employees to worry about if he gets kicked out.

[2] Even then he has carefully choose an API that Google will have a hard time just blocking him ( and not every other use of embedded playback), and he also is careful not to use APIs to render the UI he has just skinned the main website with light CSS.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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post #159

I can't even begin to describe how excited I am about the Vision Pro and how much I want it to be everything it claims to be! Are there any info available from people who have received their headsets that are 'standard' production versions, and not Apple supplied early access versions? I want to hit that order button, but the rational me tells me to wait for some initial real life reviews to roll in.

I think the MKBHD video is on a normal consumer one

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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post #159

I can't even begin to describe how excited I am about the Vision Pro and how much I want it to be everything it claims to be! Are there any info available from people who have received their headsets that are 'standard' production versions, and not Apple supplied early access versions? I want to hit that order button, but the rational me tells me to wait for some initial real life reviews to roll in.

They’re the same thing you’ll get at retail

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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OK, I'll bite. What are some alternatives besides advertising or paying a fee to get no Ads?

It's not my role to come up with consumer-friendly business models, or to vouch for any specific ones. I'm just saying that, as a consumer, I don't want Google's business. If someone is selling apples in exchange for punching me in the face (and actually watching me and doing that while I eat, for a more accurate analogy :), then I wouldn't like going to their store. I would prefer going to the farmers' market and bu…

In your analogy when you say buying directly from the farmer by paying with cash, what does that translate to in the real world? How are you supporting content creators on YouTube if you block ads?

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Christian isn’t charging enough! This could easily be $10 or more. I still grumble every time I use the Reddit app. RIP Apollo.

I basically just stopped using Reddit after that whole fiasco. I had already been drifting away for years. The site has changed. It was time to move on.

Same here. Twitter as well

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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I have a feeling is going to be a speedrun of the reddit saga. Google obviously doesn't want a smooth youtube experience on vision pro.

Why is that? Obviously they don’t want a third party app to be that experience, but they make native apps for everything else. Also, Christian can’t help himself but attach his apps to large companies that can cut him off overnight. Haha.

>Why is that?

Operating system fatigue, supporting three native apps as well as apples own browser engine is a lot of engineering time.

End of the day Vision Pro needs YouTube more than YouTube needs it.

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