Is there an officer shortage? Maybe they can drop the 4-year-degree requirement for officers, too.
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U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
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Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that a high school education represents literally years of knowledge a person has accumulated. People not having that knowledge means they will not be able to participate. It's not about whether they will be smart enough to learn; it's about the fact that they will have to be taught. There's no foundation to build on, there's no axiomatic knowledge we can rely on. People who haven't graduated high scho…
>The problem is that a high school education represents literally years of knowledge a person has accumulated. A high school diploma only signifies the individual was approved by the indoctrination of public education, unless you're the handful that had private or homeschooling which still doesn't mean much academically (see below). Incidentally, in the US we have what's called the GED[1]. The GED can be taken at any…
Homeschooling is full of indoctrination. If anything, indoctrination is stronger, because it is much easier to isolate kid from anything outside of a small bubble.
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
^ This. Schools are doing a piss-poor job of educating people. Only 20% of schools can muster a 70% proficiency score, with the vast majority being much worse. What this indicates is a startlingly large number of students are receiving an education that holds no value whatsoever. Further, as already mentioned by someone else, the military will still use its own test as a means to determine where to place a recruit.
Isn't this the parents' faults? Educators can only mold so much with what they're given. This seemed apparent to me when I was in school. I can't imagine it's changed much.
In that case, it is society's fault.
Either society isn't giving a prospective good parent the resources to achieve success. Any or many reasons exist; rent is too high, jobs got replaced by AI craze, only qualified for jobs that aren't valued at a living wage. If the parents do have the resources but still fail, society is at fault as the kids haven't been rehomed to other environments.
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
That standardised test administered by the US military has some history. The idea was that folks who were below an 85IQ would be harder to train. During the Vietnam war they tried abandoning the requirement and the results were sad. It cost the military a lot more in remedial training, but the real tragedy is that these folks died at 3 times the rate of people who would have passed the test. They weren’t cut out to b…
A friend of mine I met while serving in Afghanistan, He was working for the Department of Agriculture, trying to get the Afghan farmers to grow saffron instead of poppy. He was a professor in agronomy and would help his students back home in the US with their assignments. He had signed up for the US army and ended up serving in the Special Forces in Vietnam for 2 years. He dropped out of school when he was 13. In my…
> the military should be a second chance for a country’s citizens, who have for some reason slipped through the cracks.
Of course the military is the answer /s
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#165The coming obligatory mass conscription in the West will make all of this moot, anyway. The obesity pandemic will be a lot harder for many of the Western militaries to overcome, though.
Mass conscription in the west would be disastrous for the west. This isn't the 20th century, we don't trust our institutions anymore, so militarily training the general population would end very poorly.
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this the parents' faults? Educators can only mold so much with what they're given. This seemed apparent to me when I was in school. I can't imagine it's changed much.
In that case, it is society's fault. Either society isn't giving a prospective good parent the resources to achieve success. Any or many reasons exist; rent is too high, jobs got replaced by AI craze, only qualified for jobs that aren't valued at a living wage. If the parents do have the resources but still fail, society is at fault as the kids haven't been rehomed to other environments.
You have good intentions, but I disagree with just about every word you said.
> it is society's fault
We can't step in and fix everything. Systems don't scale like that. There has to be individual responsibility.
> Either society isn't giving a prospective good parent the resources to achieve success
Some parents simply do not care.
> haven't been rehomed to other environments
There are already enough kids without parents. You'd be making the problem worse.
> jobs got replaced by AI craze
Hasn't even come close to happening yet.
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re overlooking a hidden pernicious effect, that IQ is a relative measure that does not identify a declining trend very effectively, i.e., any identified decline in IQ is both a momentary and transient indicator as the norm, i.e., 100 IQ, integrated; and the 100 IQ norm also does not say anything about the overall relative state to any other previous state. In other words, this is how we end up with Idiocracy wher…
IQ hasn’t declined though. The Flynn effect means that the median IQ has gone up steadily every decade since they started measuring. It’s unclear why. Maybe better nutrition, better schooling, less leaded petrol - hard to tell. So an 85 IQ person today is substantially more intelligent than an 85 IQ person in the Vietnam war. That said, the modern infantry man’s job is more complex. I would postulate that the job’s c…
Sadly not. The Flynn effect appears to be obsolete. In many countries it stopped in the 90s and IQs have actually gone down a bit since then. Example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#/media/File:Sunde...
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#168Similar thing in France for the CRS a while back. CRS are a special kind of police that can be dispatched anywhere quickly in big packs. They're mostly here to "handle protests". They had trouble hiring so they lowered the required test score from 10/20 to 8/20.
As if they weren't brutally violent enough already..
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat offensive to myself that because I don't have a high school diploma I don't have the agency to join the armed forces.
It’s somewhat more likely that you don’t statistically, yes. Admittedly I don’t really get the point when they already aptitude test, but I also like to hate the military so whatever.
If you suck at statistics sure, I didn't fail high school. I left voluntarily for a better opportunity.
If someone interprets that as the same as someone who tries to complete high school and fails they are the ones we should worry about.
If you use something that people didn't do as a signal you run into all sorts of problems.
Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
A friend of mine I met while serving in Afghanistan, He was working for the Department of Agriculture, trying to get the Afghan farmers to grow saffron instead of poppy. He was a professor in agronomy and would help his students back home in the US with their assignments. He had signed up for the US army and ended up serving in the Special Forces in Vietnam for 2 years. He dropped out of school when he was 13. In my…
You are making an assumption that a person dropping out of school at 13 in the ~1960s would have the same education level as someone dropping out of school at 13 today, let alone that the conditions and circumstances one would find themselves in having dropped out are equivalent to the 1960s. Frankly, especially with the crumbling and cracking discipline, order, and hierarchy in the U.S. military now, you are also ma…
Whatever you think might be going on with the overall discipline of the US military today, it has nothing on how bad things were in the Vietnam era. Enlisted men slipping grenades into their officers’ tents after getting high as a kite in a combat zone was a regular occurrence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging
This comment just shows you to be ignorant and contrarian.