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How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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>I also understand that our immigration system is hopelessly broken, and oftentimes the best one can hope to do is "hack" the system. Just because something is difficult/time-consuming != "hopelessly broken". (No, kids, the Reason magazine "What Part of Legal Immigration Don't You Understand?" flowchart is not ipso facto proof of this, either.) There is no obligation for the US, or any country, to turn something as i…

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> tip: Government must spread its legs and accept the fate willingly otherwise it just gets harder for the government. In the context of government this is a good thing.

This is an off-putting analogy. It sounds like the rape of a woman.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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There are 750 million Europeans , and maybe 4.5 billion Asians (6 times more in Asia than Europe). But the wait and difficulty is much more than 6 times if you’re Asian versus if you’re European.

immigration should be on a country by country basis, not on a population basis. so if your country has tons of people (for whatever reason), that's kind of your country's fault and not the immigration systems fault. while there are benefits to a culture of having 12 kids theres also negatives. Europeans seem to have moderate family sizes for some reason. why is that?

Its a mystery why I was downvoted

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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Congrats OP! I'm trying to choose my words carefully, because I don't want to give the wrong impression: 1. I think it's great that OP got the visa, and it's clear (at least to me) that we should be attracting entrepreneurial types like OP to start businesses in the US. I also understand that our immigration system is hopelessly broken, and oftentimes the best one can hope to do is "hack" the system. So I commend you…

I really hope more people can use this loophole as much as possible. The lack of immigrants is lowering the standards of this country, so perhaps if the trend continues, this will no longer be a loophole but a by-the-book exhibition of extraordinary ability.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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100% agree. Someone I know received an O1 EO visa but they had worked on products that were shipping worldwide for 100s of millions of dollars, filed patents, had advanced degrees, worked at some high profile institutions, had 1000s of citations for their papers, papers published in high profile conferences and journals, and recommendation letters from CEOs, CTOs of high profile organizations from US and abroad. And…

Yep. To look at this a different way: this feels like a fluke, and people should take this n=1 recount for what it is.

I'm not sure I'd agree it's a fluke. Someone I worked with at a previous company did something very similar to this, and I recall reading an account on HN a couple years back about someone who did it using different criteria than OP, but still in a way that surprised me.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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On the other hand, a lot of O-1 visas are given to models. https://www.wildeslaw.com/services/immigration/o-1-visas-for...

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While I don't doubt many laws are passed with shady intentions, this assertion definitely needs some evidence to back it up.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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post #100

Congrats OP! I'm trying to choose my words carefully, because I don't want to give the wrong impression: 1. I think it's great that OP got the visa, and it's clear (at least to me) that we should be attracting entrepreneurial types like OP to start businesses in the US. I also understand that our immigration system is hopelessly broken, and oftentimes the best one can hope to do is "hack" the system. So I commend you…

>I also understand that our immigration system is hopelessly broken, and oftentimes the best one can hope to do is "hack" the system. Just because something is difficult/time-consuming != "hopelessly broken". (No, kids, the Reason magazine "What Part of Legal Immigration Don't You Understand?" flowchart is not ipso facto proof of this, either.) There is no obligation for the US, or any country, to turn something as i…

Our immigration system is indeed hopelessly broken. While there's a lot here about O-1 being fairly objective and checklist-based (no idea if that's actually true, just taking some comments here at face value), other visa situations can be arbitrary and opaque. And don't get me started on the ridiculous, arbitrary, capricious green card process.

> There is no obligation for the US, or any country, to turn something as important as determining whether someone is eligible to enter the country

I have the opposite opinion. Borders should be much more open, and people should stop whining so much about immigration. Nearly everyone -- aside from the relatively small number of Native peoples -- in the US is an immigrant, or the descendant of immigrants. We are all here because our ancestors forced their way here, killing and destroying wherever they went.

The idea that we have some natural right to decide who comes and goes is entirely laughable to me. I get that we should have some controls in place for at least logistical and security reasons. But our immigration restrictions go far beyond that. And again, let's not pretend it's some natural right of ours to do. We get to do it because we've had more guns than other people who wanted to be here and "own" the land.

Also remember that this is not the normal or common state of things. The internationally-recognized passport system we take for granted has existed for barely a century[0]. Before that it was a patchwork of various systems (sometimes just the honor system) and much of what we'd call "illegal immigration" today was the status quo. On top of that, the US's restrictive immigration system has existed for an even shorter time; when my great-grandparents immigrated about 115 years ago, all that was required was they enter through an official port of entry and truthfully declare who they were and where they were from. They didn't have to have a visa, or apply for permanent residency. My great-grandfather became a citizen about 15 years later shortly after applying and providing a record of his original arrival in the country.

Meanwhile, today, adults who were brought here by their parents as toddlers ("illegally" -- like a 2 year old has the capacity to do something illegal) can't even get legal residency or citizenship. If that's not hopelessly broken, I don't know what is.

The funny thing is that we're talking about this in the context of someone suggesting that OP "hacked" a broken system to get a visa. But it sounds like the O-1 system is pretty functional and is working as designed. There's a list of criteria, and a lot of explanation as to what is and isn't covered under those criteria. You document, make your case for why you fit the criteria, and apply. USCIS makes a decision (and pretty quickly, at least in this case!), probably based on a checklist, by people who likely don't really understand the nuances of any particular industry or profession or academic discipline to make any sort of value judgment on the application, beyond the checklist and the case being made. That... seems exactly how it should be? A transparent process with well-defined criteria for acceptance? (You may disagree with the criteria, or the list of things that qualify, but that's a different matter.)

[0] (The idea of passports have existed at least for a couple thousand years, of course, but in the earliest days they were more like a hand-written letter asking, "please allow my subject, Bob, to pass safely through your lands, signed, King Larry".)

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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On the other hand, a lot of O-1 visas are given to models. https://www.wildeslaw.com/services/immigration/o-1-visas-for...

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Not exactly. Models also qualify for H-1B's.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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Top 10th percentile of software engineer salaries.. well this is definitely not something easily repeatable haha

It is repeatable by 10% of people. And honestly, it isn’t that high by big tech standards since you can use both base and stocks in the calculation.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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When I read "the immigration system is broken," I don't think of the arduous process of filing paperwork. I highly doubt GP was whining about the difficult and time-consuming process of filling out reams of paperwork, especially considering the context of the rest of their post where they talked about exploiting loopholes and the letter of the law to abuse the system. Context is important! No matter how high your hor…

> In any case, the instant you fall just a little outside the prescribed lines is when things start to get hairy. Have a talk with any DACA recipient and you will quickly learn how broken the system can be. DACA is an exception for people who were already in violation of the law, no? So even if that subsystem is inconsistent, unreliable, or totally nonfunctional, it wouldn't be a reason to say the system as a whole i…

> DACA is an exception for people who were already in violation of the law, no?

Are you really going to try to tell me that a 2-year-old who was brought to the US by their parents and then stayed here into adulthood was "in violation of the law"?

While I agree that DACA isn't representative of common situations US immigrants (legal and illegal) end up in, I think it's a fine illustration of how our immigration system is broken. If we can't even find a pathway to permanent residency and citizenship for people in that situation (not to mention the constant threat of DACA being scrapped entirely if political winds change), who have only ever known the US as a home... well, it's pretty easy to question the rest of the system then.

> Refugee status is meant to be a last resort for people who flee in fear for their lives

I think you underestimate the quantity of political persecution outside the US. Remember that this isn't just prominent public figures who have tried to stand up against an oppressive regime and failed. Any average citizen in a situation like that could end up in a precarious situation like that. And political persecution is just one reason someone might fear for their lives to the point where they believe they need to leave their country.

But really, we don't need to limit ourselves to DACA or refugees to find serious issues with the US immigration system. The H1-B visa is broken; it's gamed by "consulting" companies to mint modern-day indentured servants. The green card process is ridiculous; imagine applying for permanent residency and being told that the wait time meant you'd get it after you were dead, just because you were born in a particular country, not because of anything else about you that actually matters.

Re: How I got an O-1 visa as a software engineer

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In any case, the instant you fall just a little outside the prescribed lines is when things start to get hairy. Have a talk with any DACA recipient and you will quickly learn how broken the system can be. DACA is an exception for people who were already in violation of the law, no? So even if that subsystem is inconsistent, unreliable, or totally nonfunctional, it wouldn't be a reason to say the system as a whole i…

> DACA is an exception for people who were already in violation of the law, no? So even if that subsystem is inconsistent, unreliable, or totally nonfunctional, it wouldn't be a reason to say the system as a whole is broken. Let me make sure I understand the point I think you're trying to make. Because people with DACA status were in violation of the law at some point in their lives, it's acceptable to thrust upon th…

> "Great! The illegals have a hard time with immigration. Maybe they should not have broken the law, then!" But to many it is their entire lives, and through no fault of their own.

This is the thing that really gets me. There's all this hand-wringing about how people in the country illegally should just accept that they did it "the wrong way", and oops, well, I guess that means they're not worthy of being treated as a human with wants and needs and dreams anymore. Because what, they crossed an imaginary line on the ground someone drew, in a way that didn't match up with the rules a bunch of out-of-touch people decided on? Not just out-of-touch, but people who actively use immigration reform (or the lack thereof) as a political weapon.

It's so easy for someone (such as myself) who was born in the US, whose family has been in the US for generations, to just not get what a big deal all this is. I will likely never have to worry about feeling unsafe in my own country, feeling like I have absolutely no opportunity to house, clothe, and feed myself. And if I did, I'd still have options! I know it can be hard for some of us to try on the shoes of someone who believes that the only way for them (and their family) to have a future is to pack up whatever they can carry and risk their lives to "sneak" into another country where they will have better chances. But I really wish people would show more sympathy and empathy toward people in that situation.

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