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Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by the_mitsuhiko » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:51 PM UTC

jefftk wrote: post #158

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose and functionality of the cookie is what matters, not the duration.

The duration is part of the functionality. In interpreting the e-Privacy directive a general principle is that durations should not be longer than required to implement the required functionality. If you read through https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinio... you'll see lots of discussion of appropriate durations.

The opinion document as far as I'm aware has no legal force. That said, I'm sure durations can always be re-evaluated but the case of "i'm going to log in but then not" is a corner case that's not exactly top of mind. I think the bigger task here is to defer loading stripe until necessary.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by troyvit » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:55 PM UTC

zelphirkalt wrote: post #9

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #7

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I’ve seen countless occurrences of Google Tag Manager being routinely used for all kinds of things that aren’t “advertising cookies”. There really is no need for the snark.

It is in the same league as advertising cookies. If I visit a website, I want to read or interact with that website, not with Google. Trying to shove Google into my face will meet the same reaction as trying to shove ads in my face. Getting blocked.

I block it too. However, it is only what it says on the tin: a tag manager. IOW it's a convenient place to hold all those useful snippets[1] of javaScript in one place. Most companies want that place to be google because it's seen as bulletproof.

[1] And yeah most of those useful snippets are for tracking, but actually several privacy solutions like cookie management platforms can be held inside a tag manager as well. To me it's still worth it because if I block those CMPs along with GTM it means no banner and no agreeing to any tracking.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by cpeterso » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:56 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #94

So Google AdWords performance absolutely tanks with the sunsetting of 3rd-party cookies… It looks like this mostly happens because they lose the conversion signaling which is the most important input to their bidding model, making them pay for 4x as many impressions which still only concert to 1/10th the sales. Is this the experience that all Google AdWords customers will be waking up to later in 2024? It sounds like…

> Chrome Users Now Worth 30% Less Money Thanks to Google's Cookie Killing, Ad Firm Says

https://gizmodo.com/google-chrome-users-worth-less-money-coo...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38959791

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by troyvit » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:56 PM UTC

block_dagger wrote: post #16

This article is too long and packed with marketing crap to wade through.

It's literally about marketing, and probably the most complex marketing issue facing web sites in 2024. It's gonna be long.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by kccqzy » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 6:12 PM UTC

araes wrote: post #139

The most interesting part of this article personally was "Google's getting rid of cookies". Wait, what? How is this the first time I've heard of this? Apparently the move is already delayed until Q2 2024 (lots of pushback at the office) [1] However, it's still difficult to believe. Must be an utter nightmare for people who built their entire business stack on cookies. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/27/google-dela…

Well did you know that Firefox and Safari already got rid of third party cookies? And Google only delayed it due to various government intervention.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by jefftk » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 6:17 PM UTC

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #161

jefftk wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The duration is part of the functionality. In interpreting the e-Privacy directive a general principle is that durations should not be longer than required to implement the required functionality. If you read through https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinio... you'll see lots of discussion of appropriate durations.

The opinion document as far as I'm aware has no legal force. That said, I'm sure durations can always be re-evaluated but the case of "i'm going to log in but then not" is a corner case that's not exactly top of mind. I think the bigger task here is to defer loading stripe until necessary.

> The opinion document as far as I'm aware has no legal force.

Agreed! But without this guidance we're just stuck guessing what "strictly necessary" means.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 6:18 PM UTC

junon wrote: post #2

I kept waiting for their findings but halfway through it's just a bunch of self-gratifying talk and deflecting talking about why they think it's important - I read for two solid minutes without them getting to any hard numbers or findings.

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Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by bombcar » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 6:56 PM UTC

troupe wrote: post #85

> 42.7% of internet users worldwide use ad blockers. Given how many people I know that still type google into the google search bar, I find this number to be extraordinarily high.

42.7% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by zelphirkalt » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 7:00 PM UTC

guiambros wrote: post #154

zelphirkalt wrote: post #114

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Websites load faster. I filter out BS websites with low information density. I avoid ads and being tracked by random companies that I don't trust. I feel more comfortable visiting websites knowing, that my personal data does not automatically flow to random companies. I don't have to sit through YouTube ads either. I get what I came for, then I leave. To me this is a great benefit. But lets not forget, that we are al…

> "I filter out..." > "I avoid ads... companies that I don't trust" > "I feel more comfortable..." > "...my personal data... "" > "I don't have to sit through... " > "I get what I came for, then I leave " > "I hope some day more of us can look beyond immediate personal benefit." Look, I'm ok if you want to be individualistic and say " screw the creators, content producers, journalists, and everyone else I'm freeloadi…

You can try to frame it in whatever way you want, but that does not change the fact, that you have zero idea, whether or how much I support creators that I like. It would do you good to not just assume things on the basis of someone's browsing and ad blocking habits.

Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened

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Post by yencabulator » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 7:20 PM UTC

charlieyu1 wrote: post #83

I don't know why sentry ads is popping up so often on Reddit. And they even turn off commenting. Very unusual for an open source developer tool.

Sentry is not open source, it's BuSL: https://blog.sentry.io/relicensing-sentry/