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Spot Bitcoin ETF receives official approval from the SEC

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Note that the same is for gold. Most people own gold ETFs, not physical gold, and most gold’s value is speculation (not industrial use).

Are there any asset classes in public markets that aren't driven primarily by speculation?

Sure, any kind of relatively short duration dividend/interest yielder, to give an example. Though it's possible to make extra money with t-bills by trading against rates, no one can say thats a primary driver. Likewise for much of the bond market.

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Sarcasm aside, this is the ultimate endorsement. The likes of Blackrock could use BTC as a hedge if the Feds keep on printing USD under political pressure.

As a hedge of what against what? > if the Feds keep on printing USD under political pressure Have you looked at the economy in the last two years? The Fed has been burning USD at an unprecedented rate!

Have you looked at the economy in the last 80 years? The fed and other central banks have been stealing purchasing power non-stop from the people.

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The only thing I am concerned about is "paper bitcoin" and rehypothecation. Is there anything published about how ETF entities might prove they have custody of the amount of bitcoin they claim (in other words, proof of reserves)?

You sign a message with your private key. This has been solved since day 1 of bitcoin's existence.

I guess what I'm asking is do they have to do it? I haven't tried reading any of the filings, etc... I'm wondering if someone has already done the work for me to say if this issue has been addressed by the SEC and/or individual ETFs.

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> anyone investing in crypto FTFY: anyone investing

It's sad people are so financially illiterate. Buying partial ownership (shares) in a real company that makes a product or service profitably, or loaning money to a person or business that will be paid back with interest, are both ways to invest capital which can increase in value with no "greater fool". Apple stock isn't worth more today than in 1990 because people arbitrarily agreed upon a bigger number, it's worth…

The use case for the NFT thing has been so sad. I thought it would give rise to some sort of decentralized ID tech, but all it amounted to in the real world was mutant gorilla pictures.

And then you have a bunch of competing blockchains with significantly different underlying code, so how does anything get standardized?

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The Lightning Network isn’t working as intended and the devs have basically admitted it’s never going to though. I don’t think blockchain as it is built for the btc network is as scalable as you think it can be.

Is this why Coinbase does not support it?

Coinbase is a joke as an exchange. Other behemoths exchanges support it, such as Kraken or Binance. But I recommend you p2p exchanges, which don't require KYC, e.g. RoboSats or LNP2Pbot.

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Satoshi's dream of a decentralised ledger finally reaches its ultimate form of a centralised list maintained by the DTC. Rejoice!

Cryptocurrency still works the same as it ever did. I would be more concerned that the average bitcoin transactions costs over $11 dollars (down from over $37 USD a month ago)

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees...

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That's like Robinhood users telling me they pay zero trading fees. Then how does RobbingHood make money? Think about it, running an exchange has costs. I really don't understand how people can be so easily tricked by "free" offers that are actually more expensive when you do the math. PFOF (i.e. legal theft), unfavorable spread, etc... They get their money one way or another. It can technically make sense when you're…

I pay for Coinbase One - more than I've ever paid to any bank for a year. And what's my benefit? Almost none, because I still have to pay the immense fees! In crypto, the margins are much wider than in any traditional financial services, which rely on volume and wide adoption!

Coinbase is a centralized exchange, the trading does not happen onchain so the trading itself has nothing to do with crypto, it's fundamentally just like a stock exchange. Onchain trading would be using a decentralized exchange, and that's much cheaper now on Ethereum L2 for example (although still in the experimental phase, slowly getting there). Coinbase is btw one of the more expensive CEX, but I guess you're there paying the higher fees and not with the competition, because they're reputable and unlikely to steal or lose your funds, correct?

The great thing about cryptocurrency is you can trade it any way you like. You can take your tokens in self custody. You can in theory trade with a random guy on the street, without any third party involvement and with zero fees. I know a guy who does this because he's worried about a coming police state, so he buys everything with cash during meetups.

I think the high fees CEX are currently charging, which you're right about, has multiple reasons. One is it's a completely new and largely unregulated space. There are a lot of risks, they need to set aside a lot for litigation. FTX had very low fees for example while stealing customer funds to lobby Washington ;) Coinbase is legit but has to spend a lot on legal fees and compliance, because they're in it for the long run. Also a huge part of the reason is surely simply because they can. Crypto traders are making so much money that they're more likely to accept paying high fees than the average stock trader. That won't last forever, it's just because the market is new and volatility is crazy.

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UX with hardware wallets (which you can get for like $60) is pretty decent these days and it eliminates a lot of stress in the workflows you typically use. There's still a huge room for improvement with seedphrase backup and "social recovery", but it's easier now than it's been in the past.

How does the average person back these up in a secure, yet durable way that lasts decades and can easily be discovered by (and only by) their ultimate heirs?

Passphrase in a bank safe deposit box.

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While I agree with the sentiment, please remember that actually buying BTC directly and doing self-custody is still an option.

But then I have to pay taxes on it. Time to full send my retirement accounts into these ETFs so I can retire early. /s Actually though I might consider allocating a tiny percentage (1-3%) to these. Seems like fairly low risk with enough upside, but who knows.

These are cash creates not in kind creates. So there is no escaping taxes. You will be paying capital gains just by holding spot Bitcoin ETFs

Edit: after further research it appears that the cash create mechanism doesn't cause a tax event for shareholders as it does with mutual funds. See https://www.grayscale.com/blog/legal-topics/addressing-poten...

We will have to see how every Bitcoin ETF is structured. YMMV depending on this structure and how you get taxed.

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