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Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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The easiest terrorist attack is getting a few people to rent apartments with gas across a city, leave the gas open on the stove for a day or whatever, and then simultaneously ignite.

Piping an explosive gas all over cities just seems like a generally bad idea.

Why isn't this the discussion?

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

#162

The easiest terrorist attack is getting a few people to rent apartments with gas across a city, leave the gas open on the stove for a day or whatever, and then simultaneously ignite. Piping an explosive gas all over cities just seems like a generally bad idea. Why isn't this the discussion?

No one has ever done that. But I imagine if someone does we will all need licenses for gas stoves, or have to take our cast iron pans out of our luggage when traveling, or some other dumb thing.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what people say about EVs. The short answer is that it doesn’t matter. Switching out billions of stoves, cars … to electric counterparts is going to take a long time. The thousands of power plants are much easier to convert.

I didn't "say" anything, I asked a question. And it absolutely does matter, at least for the time being.

>I didn't "say" anything, I asked a question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtext

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Just let people have stoves. I’ve noticed these types of “shade” articles that are strange and boring that an org like NPR dedicates people’s time to writing this. The goal isn’t to eliminate gas stoves. They don’t matter. It seems strange that anyone cares whether I have natural gas for stoves or not.

Really? The natural gas pipeline in San Bruno exploded in 2010, killing 8 people, and is far from the only disaster with natural gas, and you find it strange that people care what your house uses?

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my daughter was younger, I thought she might have respiratory issues from being born premature due to mild coughing fits almost her entire life. Tested for allergies and nothing came up. When she was 5, we moved to a new house. When I read the recent research, I realized that this coughing declined around when we moved. The difference? The old house had a microwave over the stove and vented inside. The new house…

You're also overlooking a ton of other things, hidden mold being a significant one.

Plot twist: new house actually had the mold issues; gutted the basement and added bathroom ventilation to address.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

#167

Just let people have stoves. I’ve noticed these types of “shade” articles that are strange and boring that an org like NPR dedicates people’s time to writing this. The goal isn’t to eliminate gas stoves. They don’t matter. It seems strange that anyone cares whether I have natural gas for stoves or not.

Really? The natural gas pipeline in San Bruno exploded in 2010, killing 8 people, and is far from the only disaster with natural gas, and you find it strange that people care what your house uses?

This isn’t really relevant though, is it?

I don’t think anyone claims that infrastructure doesn’t have costs. Of course it does. But the argument is that the benefits are worth the cost.

Brining up a gas pipeline explosion as relevant to a discussion about stoves isn’t useful unless you quantify what portion of that pipeline went toward cooking.

The argument that all gas should be eliminated because 8 people died in 2010 is too simple.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

#168

It seems funny people get upset about gas stoves, and not that modern houses are not constructed to allow for adequate ventilation.

This just means adequate ventilation isn't practical. It is, however, something that is more relatable to most folks than greenhouse emissions, which is arguably the bigger problem.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

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- "Environmental epidemiologist Josiah Kephart studies pollution from cooking. In this 2021 photo he measured nitrogen dioxide levels from cooking in his kitchen. At right: A nitrogen dioxide air monitor shows 0.159 parts per million, or 159 parts per billion. That's above the World Health Organization hourly guideline of 106 ppb. Kephart has since replaced the gas stove with an electric one." That's *barely* above t…

I've used a consumer grade air quality meter and never found use of my natural gas stove to be an issue, even if doing a lot of cooking, but my oven does impact air quality quite a bit after a couple of hours. No idea if running the hood fan would impact the emissions from the oven. Since it's a rental, I haven't gone searching for a cause. In general, the only time I need the oven for an extended period of time is w…

I believe you should run the fan for all uses, you are in all cases combusting indoors whenever you are using the gas stove/oven, unless you are glancing at the time.

Re: Gas utilities used tobacco tactics to avoid gas stove regulations

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? The natural gas pipeline in San Bruno exploded in 2010, killing 8 people, and is far from the only disaster with natural gas, and you find it strange that people care what your house uses?

This isn’t really relevant though, is it? I don’t think anyone claims that infrastructure doesn’t have costs. Of course it does. But the argument is that the benefits are worth the cost. Brining up a gas pipeline explosion as relevant to a discussion about stoves isn’t useful unless you quantify what portion of that pipeline went toward cooking. The argument that all gas should be eliminated because 8 people died in…

People don't want to die is too simple?
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