Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

Post by throwaway290 » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 8:46 AM UTC

deredede wrote: post #157

throwaway290 wrote: post #71

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> Russian elites absolutely value power over Western way of life some elites maybe, but their kids will only be after a couple of generations. It's one thing if you yourself cannot spend time in London but if your kids and relatives also cannot leave and buy a new iphone suddenly you have people to answer to.

There is something surreal about the idea that the war would end by taking away some rich kids' iPhones.

You know what I mean. iPhone is catch all standing for quality status-signaling cars, furniture, food, any electronics, etc etc. The dinosaurs who still remember USSR will be fine without those but for later generations it'll be a shock if Chinese knockoffs is all they can have now like the plebs.

Those later generations are currently reaching prime age and they are leading comfortable shock-free life that just reinforces their understanding of how there can be no consequences for association with Putler.

It's clear that they are immune while if you are a regular person not associated with government and elites you are hurt by war and sanctions. So what do regular people do? Try to be associated with government and elites as best they can. How? By supporting whatever the government does.

I think you underestimate how simply a desire to have nice life and signal high status can change political outcomes

Post by medo-bear » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

vshymanskyy wrote: post #160

medo-bear wrote: post #158

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What about someone that does not feel very "in debt"? Anyway by 'forced conscription' I mean mainly being forced to pick up a weapon and placed into a situation of kill or be killed by someone who was also put into that same situation by the opposing side

You're comparing "both sides" as equal, however please consider that this is an unprovoked agression against Ukraine. Russians invaded the foreign territory and are killing and torturing civilians. On day 2, they sent dozens of mobile crematoriums towards my city. Yes, they were prepared to burn "non-conformist" civilians. Ukrainians, on the other hand, just don't want to be wiped out.

> You're comparing "both sides" as equal

I understand this is emotional for you but I am certainly not saying that both sides are equal. However, the fact is that both sides are using forced conscription and I find that to be deplorable in strongest terms. Patriotic Ukrainians have every right to fight for their homeland. But if you need to force people to fight for their country then it is a bunch of false patriots sending their own people into death.

Let me share with you my experience. A lot of people are comparing Russia's invasion of Ukraine to Serbia's aggression on Croatia and Bosnian and Herzegovina. In some sense it is a very valid comparison. You can read up on the war yourself, however I want to draw your attention to cities that had mixed ethnic makeups. Just like there are Russians who don't want anything to do with the invasion there were Serbs who didn't want to do anything with Greater Serbia. Moreover, there were Serbs from this latter camp that stayed behind in either Bosniak or Croat controlled towns thinking they were safe because they did nothing wrong. However, during the war the bravest and most motivated fighters were those with heavy criminal backgrounds or ultra-nationalistic leanings. Due to their prowess this group of people were promoted and often had a say who will get called up for conscription. Eventually Serbs that stayed behind became a target for exploitation, especially property rights - "sign over your house or we send your kids to battle". I don't want to go further but I guess you can imagine how such scenarios can play out.

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