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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by fnimick »

pydry wrote: post #134
rushingcreek wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s obviously true that criticism of Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic. But that’s also a convenient excuse used by people who are actually antisemitic. Both of these things can be true at once.

It's obviously true that calling out or implying anti semitism where it doesnt exist doesnt automatically make the accuser an racist. But it usually does. They are, while doing this, implicitly or explicitly endorsing Bibi's "exterminate the palestinians" Amalek trope, Ben Gvir hanging a portrait of Baruch Goldstein on his wall (shot up a mosque, considered to be a hero by ~10% of Israelis) and Isaac Herzog calling r…

Don't forget Smotrich, a leader in the current government, who said it was a "mistake" that the first Israeli government didn't "finish the job" of expelling all the Arabs from Israel. https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-at-knesset-ben-gurion...

The current Israeli government has espoused their views that Palestinians should not have their own state, that all Arabs are terror supporters who are the enemy of Israel, who should be exterminated or removed. And this was happening regularly long before October 7th. I wonder why some Palestinians don't see Israel as a viable partner in peace or that they feel their only option is to destroy Israel before they are destroyed themselves?

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Post by sampa »

qaq wrote: post #36

Information warfare has being part of war for a long time. It is happening from both sides of this war with multiple players taking part. Israel obviously has a large amount of resources dedicated to it, but Arab states and Russia a chipping in heavily too on the other side.

oh that evil omnipresent Russia!

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Post by Pxtl »

seydor wrote: post #35

I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.

Imho, being heavily pro-Israel on the first day was perfectly appropriate. They'd just seen a crapload of innocent civilians butchered, and a bunch of them taken hostage.

Obviously you can still think that Palestinians have legit grievances without supporting massacre, and likewise you can support the Israeli right to defend itself. But at some point the actions of the Israeli military looks less like an effort to root out Hamas and more like ethnic cleansing.

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Post by ajb »

flyinglizard wrote: post #100
Animats wrote: post #82

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AIPAC is the American-Israel Political Action Committee. "The largest pro-Israel PAC in America", their web site says. They are, quite openly, a lobby for Israel's interests in the US.

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The definition in FARA is not limited to non US citizens. It means agent of a foreign power not a foreign person who is an agent

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Post by izacus »

Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #132
pazimzadeh wrote: post #60

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he tweeted a while back the number of palestinian vs israeli children who have died since october 7 there were way more palestinian children who had died, and some didn't like that being broadcast

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Hey... talking about children here. The heck are you doing?

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Post by squarefoot »

pesfandiar wrote: post #22
master_crab wrote: post #13

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

Couldn't agree more. It's a common misunderstanding, perhaps because there has always been a powerful campaign to equate any criticism of Israel to antisemitism.

> perhaps because there has always been a powerful campaign to equate any criticism of Israel to antisemitism.

That is the #1 tactic used to build smearing campaigns against people critic of Israel. The difference between being a racist and expressing disgust for what Israel has done in decades to the people of Gaza and the West Bank is so huge that either people using the word "antisemite" in that context are deeply ignorant, or they simply have an agenda. To my knowledge, most journalists and/or politicians aren't that ignorant.

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Post by toyg »

flyinglizard wrote: post #130
barbazoo wrote: post #104

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> Anything other than an unequivocal win over Hamas will be unacceptable and lead to more violence down the line. Some argue that "unequivocal win over Hamas" should be achieved without wiping out the rest of the population, housing, hospitals, infrastructure, etc

Hamas is not a just stray gang in Gaza. It’s the (once) elected sovereign. It holds all executive positions and runs anything in Gaza. Any hospital in Gaza is controlled by Hamas.

Regime change alone doesn't work, unless one works on the causes that made the regime emerge. It's one of the very few lessons "the West" learned in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Post by sealeck »

ristlane wrote: post #127
Scubabear68 wrote: post #91

I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

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Criticising current Israeli government policy doesn't hold Israel to a higher standard than that of other countries.

Also Israel critics also tend to be _much more likely_ to condemn the actions of other states (e.g. Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Indonensia in Papaua, etc). The issue is that the press is less interested in this and the general American public is much more interested in Israel than they are in Saudi Arabia.

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Post by hypeit »

ristlane wrote: post #159
hypeit wrote: post #3

If I'm ever fired for taking a pro-Palestinian stance, I will spend the rest of my life suing everyone involved. The capital community has crossed so many lines in their witch hunt for pro-Palestinan voices that it's not even funny. Our industry has reached a breaking point and I'm not sure what's going to happen since most of the VCs are extremely pro-Zionism and a huge portion of people under the age of 45 are pro-…

I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.

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Post by smitty1e »

sjfjsjdjwvwvc wrote: post #107
KittenInABox wrote: post #61

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> I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances I think the notion that the vast chunk of Twitter or TikTok had a pre existing stance on Israel/Palestine before Oct 7 is kind of silly, imo? Before this I could scroll Twitter without seeing anything about Israel or Palestine for... idk. Weeks, months at a time. I'll maybe see one thi…

This conflict has been a huge thing since the 90s. I would argue the vast majority of people in the west had an opinion on that conflict.

Since 1948, when modern Israel was founded.
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