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Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by bongodongobob »

irdc wrote: post #75
highmastdon wrote: post #32

We (Europe) shouldn't fragment time zones that much. We (NL) should stay on permanent summer time. Reasons - criminality is lower when there's longer light - earlier darkness leads to more accidents. It's better to have longer darkness after the masses are RESTED (in the morning), opposed to when they're TIRED (in the evening) - longer day-time for office workers, is more productive - shorter time of year that has lo…

> We (NL) should stay on permanent summer time. I think the easiest way to permanently switch to UTC+1:00 will be to first try UTC+2:00 for a year; few people are going to accept only seeing the first rays of the sun at around 9:50 in winter.

I live in the Midwest and everyone I know would MUCH rather have light until 9pm than darkness at 4pm. Get up for work, it's dark. Finish work and get home. It's been dark for an hour. It's incredibly depressing. Everyone is at work at 9:50am, who cares whether it's light outside or not?

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by adw »

switch007 wrote: post #107
closewith wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of the accession path Ireland took and why it was linked to UK accession? Ireland has the highest level of pro-EU sentiment in the bloc and it is still more likely that we will leave than accept a timezone partition with the North. It's not in question. Failure to understand this is a complete failure to understand the country.

I am. What’s your point ? I know Ireland likes the riches that come with EU membership. They don’t want to return to being a poor country. It would be a time zone difference, not a partition. Let’s not used such loaded language. Edit: is the USA “partitioned” or any less united because of multiple timezones?

Loaded language is _entirely_ appropriate when you're talking about a frozen war (which, let's be clear, is what we are talking about here).

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by qwytw »

irdc wrote: post #49
qwytw wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And make converting time between different time zones/countries even more confusing.

The EU is big enough and the CPU in your watch is fast enough that it won’t matter.

> CPU in your watch

I'm much more concerned about the one in my head.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by hypnootis »

serpix wrote: post #85
datadrivenangel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better than sunset at 4:30pm.

you're lucky, it is 3:30pm in Finland. Dusk at 3pm. Up north it is even worse, although they've got the Borealis and usually snow.

Just checked my weather app and yup, sun rises at ~10am and sets ~2pm here in northern Finland

A bit difficult to fulfill that sunlight exposure every morning.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by anon84873628 »

kelnos wrote: post #109
ghaff wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really care any longer having a pretty flexible schedule and no commute. But living in relatively northern New England, the timezone tweaks for summer and winter really were pretty welcome. I suspect that most of those ranting about timezone changes wouldn't actually want sunrise at 4am or sunset at 3pm.

I feel the opposite way. I too have a flexible schedule and no commute, and I'd prefer not having to change time zones twice a year. It's annoying and doesn't serve any useful benefit to me. I don't care when the sunrise or sunset is in wall-clock time, I can get up later/earlier and go to bed later/earlier if I want. Yes, there are things that need to be done during normal business hours, but I have a full 8 of thos…

Expecting school and business hours to have a fixed clock time, and then trying to shift that to the sun, is exactly the problem.

Imagine if instead the school changed the start time a few minutes each week in order to maintain a fixed offset with sunrise.

Bonus points because you don't force an abrupt change to circadian rhythm that takes two weeks to adjust.

Of course the problem is that many parents are stuck in jobs that expect fixed start times too...

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by maratc »

vasco wrote: post #15
stavros wrote: post #11

This sucks, not only will Greece not stay on summer time, we'll actually go to one hour back from winter time ? So not only will we not get one more hour of daylight in the evening (ie stay on summer time), we'll actually get one hour less than we have now? That's terrible.

Same with Portugal, moving to Açores time seems bad, specially for working with the rest of Europe.

Portugal is already an hour behind the rest of Europe.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by anon84873628 »

polishdude20 wrote: post #16
datadrivenangel wrote: post #2

"After agreement of a common date within the EU, we recommend doing the transition in 1 to 2 steps, depending on the member state: Step 1: All EU countries abolish the clock change to DST in spring and remain on the clock time they use in winter. For those countries whose recommended time zone is their current standard time, no further steps need to be taken. Step 2: Those countries whose recommended time zone is not…

I'd rather it be how it is in the spring rather than winter. When you get home there's at least a bit more time in the day to enjoy the sun.

Just stopping the change at all would be a good start.

After that I suspect most people will figure out how to adjust their business / working hours to get the sun when they want.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by mongol »

All attempts to optimize society by changing time zones and adjusting for daylight savings time time should be abandoned. Let society set the schedule after a static time. With this I mean ordinary time zones and the same time throughout the year. Which approximately should correspond with the sun at its highest at noon.

If someone prefers brighter mornings and darker afternoons, and someone else the opposite, the solution is easy. Adapt your life to follow that. Don't expect the time to suit you, it is keeping track over the sun's trajectory over the sky, not your life.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by pilsetnieks »

mongol wrote: post #168

All attempts to optimize society by changing time zones and adjusting for daylight savings time time should be abandoned. Let society set the schedule after a static time. With this I mean ordinary time zones and the same time throughout the year. Which approximately should correspond with the sun at its highest at noon. If someone prefers brighter mornings and darker afternoons, and someone else the opposite, the so…

> the solution is easy. Adapt your life to follow that

Those pesky employers are such traditionalists, though.

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