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Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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I had an iPad that I bought 5? years ago and I could leave that thing in sleep mode for literal weeks at a time and I'd still have a mostly full charge. I "upgraded" to a Pro 2 years back and the first thing I noticed was it'd go from a 100% charge to 60% to even 40% overnight. All apps closed, freshly rebooted and did nothing but charge it the previous night before unplugging it. A lot of comments online say "This d…

The amount of background crap has been steadily increasing on Apple devices, you're probably right in your observation that it's related to wireless/Bluetooth. I have a iPad 2 (yes, the one from 2011) which I keep around with the plan to turn it into a house-automation screen and I'm always surprised when I look at it every 2-5 months to see it still has a decent chunk of battery left. And it's in sleep, not turned o…

I have the same experience as you with the iPad 2 battery longevity, and was going to mention it before I saw your post. I keep it around with (the good old skeumorphic) iOS 6, for nostalgic reasons and for the old versions of some synthesizer apps. With WiFi turned off, it can last for months in standby.

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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I wish they would label it so that it shows 100% charge when it's actually charged 80%, and then give an option to 'overcharge' a configurable amount till 125% (the current 100%). That way it will make people aware that they are reducing the battery life by overcharging, and be picky when they overcharge. But this won't happen because reduced battery life is a big direct and indirect(by reducing performance like Appl…

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Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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I've given up trying. If a device is willing to lie to me and only charge to 80% while saying it's charged, great, but all of this "try to stay in a range" logic flies in the face of reality. Every device I use besides my cell phone, Nintendo Switch, and Nintendo 3DS has atrocious power drain when not in use. OS does not matter. Windows laptop, Linux laptop, ChromeOS laptop, Android Tablet, Amazon Tablet, you name it…

I had an Nintendo NDS, that thing was a beast in stand by power consumption, the battery was tiny I think no more than 2000mAh but every time I flipped it open it had power

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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While I agree with your general take and hate that my iphone can't be capped to 80% [0], and love that my otherwise crappy hp laptop can be capped to something like 85% (and reports both cap and max capacity), I don't agree with your final take. To take the phone example, mine usually ends the day around 85%. I just don't use it too often. But I sometimes absolutely do and would trade months of battery life for not b…

Of course. All we're asking for is an optional "limit charge to 80%" feature. And, just like macOS has, you can have a very easily accessible "charge to full now" option for those times when you know you're going to need a full charge. Don't forget, "100%" isn't really 100% any more after a year or two of charging to 100% all the time. You've probably lost 20% or so of your battery's capacity and it will be charging…

> just like macOS has

Can you please direct me to where this is possible in MacOS? I can't see any option to configure a charging cap except some "smart" option which has been on this whole time but always charges to 100%.

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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> Those are replaceable and cheap to replace every couple of years. If you specifically seek out devices with cheap replaceable batteries, sure. But this isn't the case with a lot of devices.

The cost to replace the battery on iPhones, which most people would consider to be “difficult to replace” is only $100 directly from Apple. Really seems like paying an extra $100 every 2-3 years is a decent deal for something that has 20% more battery.

> Really seems like paying an extra $100 every 2-3 years is a decent deal for something that has 20% more battery.

Maybe if you have a lot of money to waste, but people should have the option to choose

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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There is so much confusion, misinformation and naive testing about this topic. I've only learned about this "80% battery thing" when researching EVs recently and it seems to have been (maybe) spawned by the Nissan Leaf many years ago. And now it's appearing on HN seemingly once a week. What has changed? Is someone running an information(or disinformation) campaign? Blog or app to promote? I've not spoken earlier for…

Tesla charges battery to 80%. The supercharger charges it there in less than an hour and manages thermals. And it charges very slowly at the end.

Tesla battery lasts very well. Keeping battery between 20-80% is healthy.

Your comment kind of implies that 80% charge is irrelevant, but the things you mention PLUS the discharge depth or how full you charge also affect the equation from what I gather.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-b...

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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I wish they would label it so that it shows 100% charge when it's actually charged 80%, and then give an option to 'overcharge' a configurable amount till 125% (the current 100%). That way it will make people aware that they are reducing the battery life by overcharging, and be picky when they overcharge. But this won't happen because reduced battery life is a big direct and indirect(by reducing performance like Appl…

My wife's Galaxy Tab S7+ does this. It's configurable in the battery settings, 85% == 100% unless you disable the battery saving function.

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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Apple's know-how in battery management is always a couple of generations ahead of its closest competitor. My 2008 MacBook Pro was able to detect battery problems one year before they started to manifest physically. They did it by adding another controller and an independent firmware to the battery itself, but there was no better tech at that time. M powered MacBooks added auto hold-off (discharge to 80%, keep it ther…

> Apple's know-how in battery management is always a couple of generations ahead of its closest competitor. > M powered MacBooks added (...) Things that Lenovo laptops have had for a generation?

It’s not new in Apple devices, either…

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> "What Apple did was clock down the CPU of iPhones with degraded batteries in order to reduce peak load" It wasn't what Apple was doing that was the problem, it was the fact that they were initially quite secretive about it! People just started noticing their phones slowing down without explanation. Now days iOS tells if your battery no longer supports peak performance, which is the right thing to do. > "Yes, they s…

I wonder how many products have components that downgrade under specific situations and they never explicitly tell the customer - and most customers don’t ask because it’s “complicated tech” they don’t want to know about it.

I think a lot of laptops do this because their cooling system is too weak for the CPU.

The Lenovo Thinkpad t480s comes to my mind: with factory settings, the CPU was unable to reach its advertised boost frequency nor maintain its max non-boost frequency for more than a few minutes. After 5 to 10 minutes, the machine was usually running at 300/400mhz under its advertised clock speed.

Undervolting helped a lot but could not fix the issue completely, under clocking was the only solution to maintain a consistent clock speed.

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