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Starship’s second flight test

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Re: Starship’s second flight test

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I mean, what's the point of getting where he is and shutting up just to make random people happy?

To efficiently reach his target goals? It would be such shame if Starship never flew because he squandered $45B on Twitter and made a lot of political enemies being an edge lord online..

If I was the richest person on the planet and still gave any shits whatsoever about making random people, who often probably have poor values themselves, upset online, then I would be living my life extremely wrong

Transphobic and and similar problematic tweets aside

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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I just looked it up and was stunned to see a target of $13/kg cost to orbit. That's insane. A human could go to space for under $1,000 (hand waving away the life support systems)

Those are still Musk numbers. But even 10x of that would be quite good. Pretty crazy how nobody seems to even try to compete.

People definitely try to compete and don’t. Bezos is also spending countless billions and basically has technology from the 1960s to show for it.

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Can't wait to have Isis in space.. We kicked the problem of growing up as a species down the road for so long, now it's time for a nuke for everyone (who is not in a gravity well). Let's get this over with by bribing us out of today's problems into even bigger tomorrow's problems with the tools of yesterday to handle internal crisis. Sure downvote reality, that will make it go away. The sort of points I want to see,…

Are you on drugs? What the hell are you even trying to say? Something something if Elon instead worked in a charity we'd be better off just with no EV's, SpaceX, OpenAI etc... ? I'm downvoting you because you're wasting everyone's time and being demotivational about a great thing. The only true progress is technological.

He seems very much under the influence or otherwise ill

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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They seem to be increasingly confident about the Fish & Wildlife approval. Wonder what kind of internal messaging is happening there (F&W just saying "we're still signing it but it's fine" or something).

Or maybe they'll just go for it and see if this was a bluff by the govt

Re: Starship’s second flight test

#165
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It didn't, and they had to implement very severe rate limiting just to keep it from falling over again. Now when I open a tweet without being logged in I can't even see any replies.

> Now when I open a tweet without being logged in I can't even see any replies. So…you’re upset that you can’t do something for free now?

Twitter has never been non-free. You just need to register. Premium is nice, but not that critical. I have one account with and one without, mostly just the 280 char limit annoys without premium but that's how twitter was before anyway

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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-Not being dependent on Earth for survival of the species as Starship in its huge capability and reasonably cheap cost, among with refuelability on Mars begins the road to believable planetary colonization -Asteroid / Moon mining -Overally, being capable of going to space with more than just miniscule science-oriented payloads. FYI, ISS has cost us over a 100 billion dollars. When Starship hauls its worth in volume i…

What would have to happen to earth to make it less viable a place to live than mars? An asteroid rendering earth’s surface uninhabitable? Even that wouldn’t be enough - there’s still so much more on earth to sustain human life than any planet in our solar system. Apart from proof of concept I just don’t see any practical reason to colonise mars.

To me the whole “Earth backup” aspect of humans on Mars is secondary at best.

The bigger benefit is how it gets the ball rolling on development of all the technologies associated with keeping humans alive and thriving in space and on the surfaces of other bodies in a way that the moon can’t.

The problem with the moon is that its distance. It’s convenient, which means that doing anything there isn’t much of a commitment and thus, can be canceled and forgotten about on a whim. It also means that there’s not much pressure to make human presences there self-sustaining — worst case scenario, another rocket full of supplies and/or personnel is only a week away.

A presence on Mars on the other hand by nature has to be something less frivolous. You have to plan to be there a long time no matter what, and from the moment the first crew’s boots touch the ground they’re going to be pouring themselves into becoming self-sustainable. The nations and companies behind the project can’t so conveniently pull the plug. Once it’s there, everybody involved is in it for the long haul and the longer it exists and more it grows the harder it is to back out of.

So I guess more than anything, out of the destinations that are being seriously considered by NASA, SpaceX, etc, Mars is the best at providing some kind of insurance against stagnancy and malaise in the crewed space program like we saw from the late 70s through 2010 or so.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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This has to be the most ignorant comment here. Elon has been heading SpaceX as a Chief Engineer for a LONG time now, with undeniable success. How on earth would what he asks X/Twitter to do affect this, even if you considered that bad or the worst thing ever?

You do know that’s just the name of his role, not the job description, right? He was also quite adamant about not needing a fire suppression system on the pad while everyone else was saying to just dig a water trench and be over with it. Now he got his inverted shower head. It should work, but it delayed the second launch by almost a year.

Lol no. It is actually MORE de facto than de jure. Don't spread misinformation. I've seen that dogshit line replayed so many times. He's an engineer above everything else https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WY73exaVpyw

"by year" doesn't make sense.

Also, the flame "plate" was a reasonable test, it hadn't been tried before. Engines failing at start doomed what was otherwise at the very limit from what we've understood. If you watched the launch, you saw how extremely long the rocket stayed on the pad. It was because with engine failures the thrust was too low to get off and it actually needed to lose fuel. It was like 5x the time it would have been held down otherwise. It's a misnomer that anything really went truly "wrong" with the test. It's like pressing F5 and seeing the "There were build errors" popup.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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> What would have to happen to earth to make it less viable a place to live than mars? Another global airborne pandemic, but this time with a much higher fatality rate?

And how wouldn't that magically move to mars, given that it had to spread slowly, with relatively long incubation time, because otherwise it would kill its hosts too fast? I mean, isn't the whole vision that rather comfortable and fast ride, like in an airliner, but the duration of a cruise? Without all that quarantine shit?

The time it takes to get to Mars itself would serve as a quarantine period.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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None of that sounds like a big impact on the lives of most people, who are already living in areas well covered by cellphone networks and will never afford to travel to space.

SpaceX Starship is projected to bring the price of space travel down drastically, to the point where non-1%-ers should be able to afford it.

I don't think it will. NASA has contracted SpaceX Dragon flights at about $70M per seat, and the OIG estimates the cost to SpaceX at $55M per seat. If we are extremely optimistic about Starship and say it will cost the same amount to launch as Falcon 9 / Dragon, and has 100 passengers instead of 4, that brings the price down to $2-3M per seat.

SpaceX could probably do suborbital hops on just the StarShip second stage for less per seat than what Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin do now, but I don't know if that is a market they want to get into. They haven't shown interest in it in the past.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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SpaceX Starship is projected to bring the price of space travel down drastically, to the point where non-1%-ers should be able to afford it.

I don't think it will. NASA has contracted SpaceX Dragon flights at about $70M per seat, and the OIG estimates the cost to SpaceX at $55M per seat. If we are extremely optimistic about Starship and say it will cost the same amount to launch as Falcon 9 / Dragon, and has 100 passengers instead of 4, that brings the price down to $2-3M per seat. SpaceX could probably do suborbital hops on just the StarShip second stage…

That's still a huge drop, but I guess we'll have to wait a little longer before a ticket to the moon becomes commonplace.
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