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Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by forty »

wilg wrote: post #150
forty wrote: post #143

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By instead having smaller companies/ local book shops, who don't treat their workers like shit (like not forcing them to pee in bottles because they cannot have breaks etc) and also are better for the environment (in my country - France - Amazon was caught regularly destroying tons of unsold goods because it was cheapest to do this that sending them back to the original seller).

How about a big company that doesn’t treat their workers like shit?

Hard to imagine in the current context of western countries, where the incentive is for publicly traded companies to try to only focus on making as much as money as possible and having products as cheap as possible, with no real incentive to treat lowly qualified workers which are easy to replace decently, or to care for the environment. We need laws to make the right incentive, which we have some in France, but reality shows that it's far from enough.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by CyberDildonics »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #157
CyberDildonics wrote: post #156

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Walmart is a smaller competitor to amazon in online retail. You are confused and need to review the comments in this thread.

This still seems oddly disjointed as a response, but sure your free to believe whatever.

Your comments seem to be about other people's comments. I think you have lost track of this thread's topic.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by MichaelZuo »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #162
MichaelZuo wrote: post #157

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This still seems oddly disjointed as a response, but sure your free to believe whatever.

Your comments seem to be about other people's comments. I think you have lost track of this thread's topic.

Okay.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by 93po »

QwertyPi wrote: post #160
93po wrote: post #144

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I don't know of any third party options to Airpods that: 1. pair instantly without problems to my apple devices 2. intelligently know when to switch between my phone to my laptop 3. intelligently know when to switch from car bluetooth to headphones 4. is compatible with "Find My" 5. has magsafe charging 6. has same sound quality and sound cancellation with above features these are all very important to me and my expe…

Sure, but by that metric apple could charge literally any price through the inherent deficiencies of bluetooth. You're not exactly a rational consumer.

My point is that the extra price is worth these features. If they charged $1k I wouldn’t buy them

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by kube-system »

vuln wrote: post #84
kube-system wrote: post #55

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Because they don't "knowingly sell counterfeit goods". Amazon employees don't create these listings, other people do. Someone that "knowingly sells counterfeit goods" is humanly aware that a specific item they are selling is counterfeit, and decide to sell it anyway, which is not the case here. These listings are taken down whack-a-mole style as Amazon is made humanly aware of their existence.

Try that argument with the Silk Road. Has Apple or Amazon hired or solicited hitmen? Probably.

There's no inconsistency here. Silk Road knowingly and intentionally sold illegal goods and services.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by kube-system »

Regnore wrote: post #64
kube-system wrote: post #55

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Because they don't "knowingly sell counterfeit goods". Amazon employees don't create these listings, other people do. Someone that "knowingly sells counterfeit goods" is humanly aware that a specific item they are selling is counterfeit, and decide to sell it anyway, which is not the case here. These listings are taken down whack-a-mole style as Amazon is made humanly aware of their existence.

Does Amazon do literally anything to pro-actively prevent the selling of counterfeit goods? > Prior to the deal, Apple sent “hundreds of thousands of take-down notices” to Amazon to reduce counterfeits, and the company conducted test purchases on Amazon that “consistently returned high counterfeit rates

They have anti-counterfeit teams, brand protection programs, etc. They say their brand protection is about 99% effective at blocking counterfeits. But, they have something like 350+ million listings, so there's still tons of stuff that makes it through the cracks.

Fraudulent listings aren't specifically an Amazon problem, there's junk like the above example on basically every marketplace site. Search "2tb flash drive" on any of them. It's a fundamental problem with non-curated marketplaces.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by kube-system »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #93
kube-system wrote: post #66

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No, I don't think I've seen that being claimed. It has been claimed that they have used their anticompetitive practices against others. Having Walmart as a competitor doesn't mean that they don't have a dominant market position with power to abuse at their disposal.

How do they have the 'power to abuse' with only 37.6% of the e-commerce marketshare? And probably less than 15% of overall retail marketshare?

That is plenty large enough of a chunk to have significant economic influence. As a reference point, it's about the same percent marketshare OPEC has on the oil market.

Even though the topics are frequently discussed together, anticompetitive behavior is something different than being a monopoly and one does not require the other.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by kube-system »

rescbr wrote: post #90
kube-system wrote: post #34

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There's store-within-a-store, but it's not really the same thing as a marketplace, and not the type of thing where any provider dominates the market enough to have a monopolistic power on it.

A large part of what you see on shelves are not the retailer's, but are on consignment from the manufacturer. The manufacturer also pays for the product to be displayed, with different rates for different positioning. The limit is physical space on the storefront, and that's a problem that Amazon doesn't have.

Consignment in retail is more of an inventory accounting arrangement. Marketplaces are much more open and allow sellers to set their own terms.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by kube-system »

bmitc wrote: post #146
StopHammoTime wrote: post #87

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The law is the problem. The law requires explicit knowledge, so Amazon can get away with it. I don’t agree with it, but lawmakers should be making these changes.

I mean, if I had repeated instances of someone else performing illegal activities in my basement, I can't continually, or even once, claim that I had no idea. Amazon knows it has counterfeit problems and does nothing to curb it. In fact, they encourage it. Just because it's hidden behind several layers of software abstraction does not mean that Amazon doesn't have explicit knowledge. These products even physically si…

Knowing about the existence of crime in a general sense is not legally or functionally the same as knowing about or being directly involved with a specific instance of crime.

> I mean, if I had repeated instances of someone else performing illegal activities in my basement, I can't continually, or even once, claim that I had no idea.

Amazon does not claim that they are unaware of counterfeit products on their platform. They do explicitly say they are aware of fraudulent products on their platform, and they have blogs on their website that talk about this.

> Just because it's hidden behind several layers of software abstraction does not mean that Amazon doesn't have explicit knowledge.

They are generally aware that marketplace sellers list fraudulent products. They are not specifically aware that any particular new listing is fraudulent until after the fact.

> These products even physically sit in their own warehouses.

Sometimes they do, but not all of the time. However, putting the item in a warehouse does nothing to authenticate it.

Re: Apple asked Amazon to block rival ads

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Post by bmitc »

kube-system wrote: post #169
bmitc wrote: post #146

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I mean, if I had repeated instances of someone else performing illegal activities in my basement, I can't continually, or even once, claim that I had no idea. Amazon knows it has counterfeit problems and does nothing to curb it. In fact, they encourage it. Just because it's hidden behind several layers of software abstraction does not mean that Amazon doesn't have explicit knowledge. These products even physically si…

Knowing about the existence of crime in a general sense is not legally or functionally the same as knowing about or being directly involved with a specific instance of crime. > I mean, if I had repeated instances of someone else performing illegal activities in my basement, I can't continually, or even once, claim that I had no idea. Amazon does not claim that they are unaware of counterfeit products on their platfor…

> They are not specifically aware that any particular new listing is fraudulent until after the fact.

> However, putting the item in a warehouse does nothing to authenticate it.

Those are both Amazon's problems and not customers' or the law's problems. Here's an idea: if you are constantly ingesting fraudulent products in your warehouses and shopping site, maybe do something about it?

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