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Seeing drone dropped grenades everywhere in Ukraine has made me worried about normalized "drone drop murders" spreading to the rest of the world. With widely available addresses gang violence, political killings, and even online flamewar escalations will become much much uglier. Who needs to do a driveby shooting if you could drop a homemade bomb from a McDonalds bathroom 20 miles away using some jailbroken drone? Vi…

The drone drop on individuals is not the biggest worry.

Long range autonomous drones clearly are able to take out large scale infrastructure like pipelines, ships etc, the soft underbelly of the western world. And against the poor and proxy war forces of the world, the law is useless. We will miss the covid delivery crisis very soon.

And yes the US has the biggest navy, but against current drifting Kajak sized anti-ship submarine drones it and civil shipping is actually quite vulnerable.

And to make such a device smart enough to sleep until it identifies sounds and ship pictures, it needs no military industrial complex magic. A smartphone will do..

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> social security will very likely be insolvent/cancelled by the time that we're old enough to qualify for it This is not true, it's propaganda promoted by rich people who want to get rid of social security. It could be eliminated for political reasons, but spreading this idea that it's going to "run out of money" only makes that more likely. The government cannot run out of its own money. It can cause inflation, but…

> This is not true, it's propaganda promoted by rich people who want to get rid of social security. Exactly: “social security is going to be gone by the time you would get it” is a line peddled almost entirely by political activists looking to build support for eliminating social security , and it has been such a line for the entire life span of people who are now old enough to receive SS old age retirement benefits.

Fascinating. Thank you (and siblings) for the correction.

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As other commenters have mentioned, US American's ease of access to firearms does not extend to their usage. If you buy a weapon and wrongly shoot someone, there is a system in place to make sure you are found and punished. There is no such system in place for catching people flying drones.

Have you not heard of remote-id? It's a legal requirement for drones above 250g to broadcast not only their position but also the position of the operator and their identification number.

Yeah, I am pretty sure the people of Hamas are following the guidelines and have satisfied all of the regulatory requirements before flying their small grenade carry-on drones.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

#165

Seeing drone dropped grenades everywhere in Ukraine has made me worried about normalized "drone drop murders" spreading to the rest of the world. With widely available addresses gang violence, political killings, and even online flamewar escalations will become much much uglier. Who needs to do a driveby shooting if you could drop a homemade bomb from a McDonalds bathroom 20 miles away using some jailbroken drone? Vi…

It might be easier to build your own drone rather than jailbreaking a store bought one

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

#166

That reminds me of Strava leaking the workouts of military members, making it very easy to identify the location of secret military bases (this video mentions it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2WrDZnk33g&t=341s ).

I would lean more towards saying that the soldiers leaked their locations, more than Strava itself.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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There are DOD ID numbers, but they've updated the forms to just ask for both.

In my experience, though, people now freak out if you fill in the SSN field on the form, because that makes it PII with a bunch of requirements for proper storage and transmission. This is despite the fact that most of the other information on the form already makes it PII, regardless of the presence of a SSN. It did take a few years in the mid-2010s for the forms to catch up and replace the SSN field with the DOD ID…

I wish my experience was people freaking out but instead it's continued carelessness and near indifference. Oftentimes with HR NCOs even. I would like to see loss of PII given the same treatment as classified spillage.

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#168
We've spent two decades since 9/11 constantly asking everyone if they are active-duty or former military (boarding priority, 10% off at lowes, free meals on veterans day), and now we have a hunch some data might have been leaked?

What outcome did we expect?

There are some aspects of my work history that no one knows about and I would definitely not share them with a 3rd party just so I can board a plane 3 minutes before everyone else.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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The reason is twofold: 1. Servicemembers hold security clearances and thus access to critical things. 2. Leaked PII is a national security threat. This report, I'd argue, is good 'marketing' for the very real need for privacy protections nationwide. The U.S. military is, despite its best efforts, still an admired and respected institution.

Our nation allows private companies to SELL PII. Our nation utilizes the availability of said PII to build their own spying apparatus. Law Enforcement uses harvested location data to track people without any warrants or due process. You are ignoring huge parts of reality to be able to say those 2 points above.

And you are ignoring the many competing interests within and throughout the federal government. Source: me, with 20 years inside DOD/IC.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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You are incorrect that there's no infra to secure people with clearances. WRT your second point, 'all the data is out there' is an awful argument. The solution is simple: if you want to do business with or in the United States, you must respect its citizens' rights. There's plenty of other comparable regulatory frameworks; food safety, weapons, etc.

> You are incorrect that there's no infra to secure people with clearances I'm not. If there was, their data wouldn't be lumped in with everyone else when it's leaked/hacked from all these large different organizations. > WRT your second point, 'all the data is out there' is an awful argument. It's a fact. You won't be able to remove that stuff now that it's out. IT's somewhat an instance of the Streisand effect. Num…

> If there was, their data wouldn't be lumped in with everyone else

You're giving the World's Largest And Most Ineffective Bureaucracy far too much agency.

> You won't be able to remove that stuff now that it's out

Who said it needs to be removed in order to secure these servicemembers' identities?

> That's not any kind of solution

It's the only solution that will work; to treat it as a constiutional mandate. It's one of the only ways to enforce widespread change when it comes to individual rights. Source: history.

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