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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Willish42 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:11 AM UTC

sosodev wrote: post #149

spacecadet wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Its pretty evil to overcharge and prey on a customer base who doesn't know any better, but would benefit from a more usable starting point, oh say 16... Tims a finance guy, they are kinda evil by default.

It's a matter of perspective of course. I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. Aren't the vast majority corporations just trying to make more money? I would disagree with that.

> I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil.

I mean, surely a mixed bag, and I still participate in it regardless, but pretty much, yeah.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mining-children-trfn/...

https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma...

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by FireBeyond » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:11 AM UTC

osti wrote: post #24

jdprgm wrote: post #11

I don't understand why they don't update the entire lineup whenever a new chip comes out, especially if really only swapping the chip in the macbook pro and imac here. On a separate note does anyone have any insight on how unified memory compares to vram in the context of machine learning performance? Considering an H100 with 80GB costs like $30k a maxed out macbook pro with 128gb unified memory for $5k is interestin…

They just updated their macbook air and mac studios and mac pros like 6 months ago? If they updated right now, the previous owners would feel utterly screwed over.

Not even. If you ordered a non-baseline M2 Ultra Studio at launch, you likely didn't receive it til the first week of August. So we're a week shy of three months. So I'm glad for not being screwed, I think. Although who is to say they're not just being sat on (M3 Max chips)...

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by sib » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:12 AM UTC

3c6bYDXLMj wrote: post #70

throwaway019254 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will need to convince your politicians to lower import duties and taxes. And that $1599 USD is without taxes. So not the whole US has this price. It was always worth for me to travel to Oregon to have zero tax.

I think you mean, convince politicians to allow for the ridiculous tax-excluded display pricing that’s prolific in the US.

Why is it ridiculous to allow for tax-excluded display of pricing? You couldn't run a TV or newspaper ad with tax-included pricing in the US since there are so many different taxing jurisdictions here (more than 13,000, as of early 2023).

Perhaps what's ridiculous is that we have so many different taxing jurisdictions.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by b0b10101 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:12 AM UTC

lhl wrote: post #133

Apple launched M2 MBPs only in January. I wonder if Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite (benchmarking now, but not in products until mid-2024) drove some of the timing on this launch: https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/laptops/qualcomm-bri...

other way around i suspect. qualcomm knew this event was coming and wanted to front-run's apple's announcement.

especially as the macs ship much sooner...

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Jensson » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:12 AM UTC

chipgap98 wrote: post #79

hnburnsy wrote: post #53

>Rendering speeds are now up to 2.5x faster than on the M1 family of chips.1 The CPU performance cores and efficiency cores are 30 percent and 50 percent faster than those in M1, respectively, and the Neural Engine is 60 percent faster than the Neural Engine in the M1 family of chips. WTH, was Apple sandbagging on the M1?

These are the new 3nm chips from TSMC, right?

They didn't say, but since their A17 is 3nm this is almost guaranteed to be 3nm. The 3nm process is the big improvement, the M1 and M2 were TSMC 5nm and 4nm which was basically the same thing.

The performance improvements here is roughly what you would expect if you knew the specs of TSMC 3nm chips.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by totallywrong » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:13 AM UTC

What I really miss in my work issued M1 Pro isn't more power, it's the keyboard in those 2010s models.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ezfe » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:13 AM UTC

mkl wrote: post #44

Strange that they mostly compare performance to M1, not M2. Probably means it's not as much faster than M2 as they would like.

They compared it to both, and most people upgrading will have an M1 so it's the more apt comparison (and of course, a bigger number).

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by mayoff » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:13 AM UTC

adocomplete wrote: post #10

I purchased a fully maxed out M2 Max MacBook Pro when it was announced like 6 months ago. I knew it was going to be outdated eventually, but within 6 months, wow. Did not expect that.

You can feel slightly less bad. M2 Max was announced in January, 10 months ago.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:14 AM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #159

Kye wrote: post #139

It's shiny but I think I'll stick to my upgradable RAM and two m2 slots + a RTX 3070ti and i7-12700H for a fraction of the price. Something at Apple broke when they switched to their own silicon outside iPad and iPhone. They turned around the slow march toward parity on price:performance/RAM/storage and went screaming in the other direction. I really wanted to switch to mac when I was shopping for a new system earlie…

I tried to find a laptop with the specification you just mentioned that could last 20 hours on battery. Didn’t.

Yep. But, me and everyone I know keeps their laptops plugged in most of the time at work or at home, so not everyone needs all day battery life.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by minimaxir » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:14 AM UTC

wmf wrote: post #9

minimaxir wrote: post #4

> Additionally, support for up to 128GB of memory unlocks workflows previously not possible on a laptop, such as AI developers working with even larger transformer models with billions of parameters. The presentation explicitly highlighted this very randomly, without showing how AI development actually works. I know Apple has put more effort into Apple Silicon support for PyTorch but is it there yet?

Are the cool kids using GGML?

Also that.