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Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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> I don't get easily offended, but I've honestly never seen anything more disgusting in my entire life. Try watching some documentaries about Tiananmen Square or Uyghurs. I am curious if this statement will still hold.

Someone has a problem? I will bring my problem!

Oh yeah? My problem is bigger that your problem!

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"even though heat record after heat record is broken." It's not really strange that people don't get that argument though right? Since the heat records are only a few 100 years old at most. If "climate change is real and a problem, because weather heat records" is supposed to be a logical narrative then I can totally understand that people don't follow that logic and just tune out. I trust the science about global wa…

When heat records that stood for a century are now broken every year, it’s a clear indication that something is going on. And it’s clearly a problem. Heat being so high to beat the record is unequivocally a problem. Anyways, it’s not like those that “tune out” when you point out heat records are being broken every year would listen if you gave them truly scientific arguments.

I don't think it's obvious to everyone why heat records being broken are clearly or unequivocally a problem. These projections we've seen from climate scientists have always been off, why should I trust them about the impact of a warmer climate?

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> And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable. Tbh I don't think this has anything to do with marketing. Guns are just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want them to be or not. If we were capable of changing this we'd be capable of doing a hell of a lot of other things, too, instead of sitting on our hands and loudly babbling about…

> Guns are just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want them to be or not. "Owning slaves is just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want it to be or not." And I know what you're thinking: "comparing owning guns to owning human beings is wrong". Yes, but saying that something is "our culture" and can't be changes is just plain silly. Especially when it comes to guns.

owning people was never part of the bill of rights

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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I live in "the west" and I can contribute to change there. So I do. Try to change what you can change, instead of thinking about what you can't change and not doing anything.

problem is, unlike other issues that can have positive local impacts, the biggest downsides to climate change are global. doesn't really matter that as the US/EU our emissions have been flat for decades now if china and India are shooting up like crazy.

Well, yes it does.

The USA is still the biggest polluter, even with 1/5 the population of China.

Also, making the technology viable and proving it so is the only solution.

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Fossil fuels are irreplaceable for what they offer at the price they ask. Don’t ask the West. Ask India that had the choice to leapfrog fossil fuels and be energy independent, at higher cost. People don’t care about our opinions. They want the cheapest options. The only way to transition out of fossils for energy, is to make the alternatives cheaper and easily accessible. US transitioned from coal to gas within 10 ye…

It really depends on how you calculate this, but fossil fuels are not cheap by any means. The IMF has some staggering numbers for direct and indirect subsidies of fossil fuels, https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel... : “… explicit subsidies (undercharging for supply costs) more than doubled to $1.3 trillion.” If we just got rid of those subsidies, we’d see a faster shift. Then there are all th…

You're misquoting with your explicit subsidies. Undercharging is an implicit, not explicit. The vast majority of these subsidies are implicit subsidies. "Getting rid of" these subsidies means taxing an extra trillion dollars not scaling back something handing the oil companies a trillion dollars.

If you want to argue we should levy a trillion dollar tax on fossil fuels that's fine but let's at least be direct about it instead of the somewhat misleading statement that it's a subsidy, like it's some giant pile of cash the state is handing to the oil companies. It's not even that it's giving tax breaks (that would be an explicit subsidy), it's that these taxes didn't exist at all.

You're essentially arguing not being taxed to oblivion as being directly supported by the government.

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Does anyone really think this will work? This isn’t cigarette advertising, which raises the profile of a directly harmful activity. Like what’s the best case for Shell here? If you’re going to get upset about anything in games, get upset about loot boxes. Promoting gambling to children should be illegal. That’s psychologically damaging.

If you're still upset about loot boxes in games you're probably 3 years late to the party.

if you're still upset about climate change you're probably 30 years late to the party.

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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> I don't get easily offended, but I've honestly never seen anything more disgusting in my entire life. That's a pretty bold statement to make. I don't know what kind of isolated world you live in if you think that a Shell ad is the most disgusting thing you ever saw in your life, but I can give you a hundred examples off the top of my head. One example that might be related to this subject are working conditions in…

I get your point, but I think it's relative to the society which it takes place. Corruption in China? If anything, it's to be expected. It's a literal part of how their political system operates. Corruption in a liberal democracy? Much less acceptable. Of course, that's just one point of view. As for your comment about EVs, I don't necessarily disagree. My main outrage is that they used children to sell oil. As for y…

You'll never get what you need for EVs without child labor or extremely unhealthy work conditions. Roughnecks and engineers happily go to work to drill for the oil that runs society

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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there really are a lot of "yes big oil may be bad, but here's why they aren't as bad as you think:"-type comments in this thread. maybe it's just a prevailing wind on HN though perhaps this is just my bubble, but I don't think I've ever met a person in real life who tries to defend oil companies

I’ve noticed HN users in general enjoy being contrarian and argumentative. It’s a “I must be doing something smart if I’m going against the grain” attitude.

or perhaps it's "I'm tired of the incessant climate change propaganda"

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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That's mostly an urban legend and the vast majority of such cases happen when the parent is not sober and essentially knocked out unconscious. I mean, infants are typically warmer than adults and they wriggle around a lot - it's hard enough to sleep next to them, much less within suffocation distance.

So we have advice from the government or your HN comment to go on. There needs to be more substance to your claims

Asian countries have low SIDS despite infants commonly sleeping with their mothers.
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