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Microsoft CEO testifies that Google’s power in search is ubiquitous

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Re: Microsoft CEO testifies that Google’s power in search is ubiquitous

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I donno, I've been using only duckduckgo for a few years and I don't feel any worse than on google

I've been using primarily DuckDuckGo for over a year now, and while I agree that for most things it's on par with Google, it's much worse on obscure stuff and on regional stuff (Norway in my case).

That said, I think the parity on most searches is partially due to Google sucking more than it did. Often the thing I'm looking for isn't in the top 10 hits in either.

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I am not following these testimonies in anti-trust cases where they have a competitor of Google testify against Google. Isn’t testifying all about presenting evidence? If I am accused of theft in a criminal court and my arch rival is brought for testimony against me, it doesn’t sound like a fair process to me. Of course if it’s a substantiated material it would make sense but otherwise it doesn’t just makes sense at…

> Google as a search engine is far better than Bing and that’s just a fact. It was better than Bing... Two things: 1) HN and elsewhere constantly point out how bad Google Search is lately 2) The introduction of ChatGPT and DALL-E powered Bing into Edge, the new Windows Sidebar and elsewhere has changed the game. The new Windows 11 Bing/ChatGPT/DALL-E sidebar is so good that my hot-take is that it's going to put a den…

1) HN and elsewhere constantly point out how bad Google Search is lately

The internet is bad. There is a constant amount of good stuff and an exponentially increasing amount of garbage.

Re: Microsoft CEO testifies that Google’s power in search is ubiquitous

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Why shouldn't MS be in that group? Google pay far above the mark to be default search in FF, and own the most popular web browser.

Because Microsoft is doing worse things than what they are accusing Google of, such as forcing users to use Edge and Bing in Windows. Also, considering the fact that Bing's market share did not increase even when Microsoft signed a contract with Apple to make Bing the default search engine on iPhones, and the testimony that Apple did not acquire Bing because of its poor quality, Microsoft's argument is completely una…

> share did not increase even when Microsoft signed a contract with Apple to make Bing the default search engine on iPhones,

I don’t recall Bing ever being the default search engine in Safari.

The deal was exclusively about Siri (which barely anyone used..)

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It's not about transferring resources. It's about making sure there's enough competition. Ironically, there is more and more search competition appearing. Bing isn't great, but other things are.

Could you please elaborate on what the other things are?

Have a play with mojeek.com. Also heard good things about kagi, that is paid, though, I believe.

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It's not about transferring resources. It's about making sure there's enough competition. Ironically, there is more and more search competition appearing. Bing isn't great, but other things are.

Could you please elaborate on what the other things are?

Probably Kagi… maybe chatgpt

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Well, actually, Google paying other companies to make Google the default is stopping Bing from getting traffic. That's why we are having this whole case, among other things. In general, making contracts with 3rd parties that negatively impact your competitors is sort of looked down upon.

>Well, actually, Google paying other companies to make Google the default is stopping Bing from getting traffic. I cannot see how this is true. Microsoft, with its tens of billions in annual profits, can invest in all the advertising in the world, literally, to let people know how to change the default browser on their iOS or Android device. It is a trivial setting to change. What is not trivial, for Microsoft, is cr…

> It is a trivial setting to change.

Most/many people won’t it undeniably gives a massive advantage to google.

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I think Google is not going to keep its monopoly.

Last Saturday I was searching for something on Google and not getting anything and just for laughs I tried bing. I have been using it for second opinion since. And I don't think bing got any better, but my god has Google got a lot worse.

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The idea sounds nice but politicians controlling an index would be an abject disaster.

Already has been - what fraction of 'right to be forgotten' requests are actually in the social good, as opposed to just criminals of various levels covering up their crimes?

Are there any request that are actually just criminals of various levels covering up their crimes? Since the right to be forgotten exists I've been hearing about this misuse of this right but never have I seen one case been presented to show how it is being misused. If you don't know of such a case on what is your opinion of this right based then?

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What is the alternate form of justice, if not adversarial?

Another big one is the inquisitorial system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisitorial_system

Guilty until proven innocent VS. Innocent until proven guilty..

Re: Microsoft CEO testifies that Google’s power in search is ubiquitous

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One way Google maintains their monopoly is that many websites block all bots except for the Google indexing bot. This makes it literally impossible for anyone to make a competing search engine because millions of doors are slammed in their face. There is no practical way to negotiate access at this scale either leaving no options for small startups — e.g.: AI-based search! One possible anti-monopoly measure would be…

Got any reports/statistics to back this up? I highly doubt websites are not wanting major search engines to index them. AFAIK it's been standard practice to use `User-agent: *` for a long time. There are other anti-crawling measures because the bad crawlers are not going to respect your robots.txt.

It's not necessarily a lot of sites that block non-popular bots - but often it's big sites (i.e. content-centric sites such as Social Media). Think Yelp, Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, etc.

That can add up to a serious percentage of the web.

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