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Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

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Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#161

I hope they are successful on this. Japanese carmakers are really good and well-disciplined on building it with quality and also cheaply, I'm really excited about what they'll bring. I've always enjoyed Toyotas, I have one. Toyotas are always cheaper than the alternative and extremely reliable.

wouldnt hold your breathe.. they've been claiming solid state has been around the corner since like 2010

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote is not in that article, which is from 2017. Did you mean to link to something else?

That article is from 2009 about Toyota announcing a 10x lithium ion wonder-battery due in ~2015. That didn't happen. Now, in 2023, Toyota promises a solid-state wonder-battery soon (tm). Since wonder-battery announcements from Toyota have proven unreliable before we shouldn't hold our breath for today's wonder-battery announcement from Toyota.

This article of this post announces that they, after a published "breakthrough" earlier this year, is closing in on mass production capability with 2028 being Toyota's suggested target.

That article shared in this comment thread announces the start of development of a new battery technology, with the author sharing their opinion on the possible delivery date - not Toyota.

But regardless of whether Toyota succeeds according to their schedule, holding your breath for 5 years or more is not recommended.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#163

I'll believe it when I see it. There seems to be a lot of noise, confusion and FUD coming from Toyota lately.

> There seems to be a lot of noise, confusion and FUD coming from Toyota lately. Not really? The old CEO with his irrational hate of all-electric cars left, and Toyota is now free to catch up with the rest of the industry. And the best way to catch up has always been to leapfrog a tech generation ahead, rather than trying to copy what the competition designed last year.

You think the problem is just the CEO and not the corporate culture or its complacency and arrogance and now confusion now that it's no longer the darling of Wall Street/The Nikkei? It's yet another Japanese zombie corporation that's lost its way.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#164

I hope they are successful on this. Japanese carmakers are really good and well-disciplined on building it with quality and also cheaply, I'm really excited about what they'll bring. I've always enjoyed Toyotas, I have one. Toyotas are always cheaper than the alternative and extremely reliable.

wouldnt hold your breathe.. they've been claiming solid state has been around the corner since like 2010

Still better than the kind of promises you'd get from Elon Musk, costing you 10K to get a FSD system to drive you into a wall.

I like the fact that they show their intent without making you pay for it

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#165

I'll believe it when I see it. There seems to be a lot of noise, confusion and FUD coming from Toyota lately.

> There seems to be a lot of noise, confusion and FUD coming from Toyota lately. Not really? The old CEO with his irrational hate of all-electric cars left, and Toyota is now free to catch up with the rest of the industry. And the best way to catch up has always been to leapfrog a tech generation ahead, rather than trying to copy what the competition designed last year.

This seems like an e-washing argument to me. Just a couple of months ago (well after the new CEO joined) they were touting their ammonia engine as the 'death of EVs'.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wouldnt hold your breathe.. they've been claiming solid state has been around the corner since like 2010

Still better than the kind of promises you'd get from Elon Musk, costing you 10K to get a FSD system to drive you into a wall. I like the fact that they show their intent without making you pay for it

Well, he's also jump-started all of car electrification. I agree FSD is bad, but unless you paid for it, it's a weird thing to focus on given the bigger picture impact Tesla and Musk have had.

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#169

I hope they are successful on this. Japanese carmakers are really good and well-disciplined on building it with quality and also cheaply, I'm really excited about what they'll bring. I've always enjoyed Toyotas, I have one. Toyotas are always cheaper than the alternative and extremely reliable.

wouldnt hold your breathe.. they've been claiming solid state has been around the corner since like 2010

Apparently BYD will be releasing one of its models with a sodium ion solid-state battery this year. That is, it's verified and working and ready to ship.

First source link I could find on google. https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/byd-may-launch-first-sodium...

Re: Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap

#170

I hope they are successful on this. Japanese carmakers are really good and well-disciplined on building it with quality and also cheaply, I'm really excited about what they'll bring. I've always enjoyed Toyotas, I have one. Toyotas are always cheaper than the alternative and extremely reliable.

wouldnt hold your breathe.. they've been claiming solid state has been around the corner since like 2010

I don't recall them ever saying it was right around the corner.

Rather around the early-mid 2020s which has been impacted by COVID.

I am always reluctant to bet against Toyota since they have a long history of delivering.

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