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Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by zarzavat »

redox99 wrote: post #76

Moderation really varies a lot depending both on the language and the group being criticized. For example on twitch, Spanish streamers[1] say a lot of things that would get an English streamer canceled and/or banned for saying it. And for other languages I'm sure the gap is even bigger. The same with the group being criticized. Criticism against Russians is not moderated the same way as criticism against Jewish peopl…

> Criticism against Russians is not moderated the same way as criticism against Jewish people.

People are not criticizing ethnic Russians. They are criticizing citizens of the Russian state, which includes people who aren’t ethnically Russian but doesn’t include people who are ethnically Russian in e.g. Ukraine. It’s arguable how much responsibility Russian citizens have for the present situation but it’s more than zero.

Similarly while it’s fine to criticize Israelis for the actions of Israel, it’s not fine to criticize Jewish people in general for it.

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Post by stareatgoats »

ethanbond wrote: post #156
stareatgoats wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are fans of going to heaven I can sympathize, heaven seems at least better than the other place. What I don't understand is how eschatological (which are essentially fatalistic) beliefs translate into support for Israel. In a world governed by fate it doesn't matter what you do, it's all predetermined anyway. Which seems to align more with the core Christian teachings: we should not judge (because no-one is es…

Because broad swaths of US Evangelicals believe that Israel needs to be "re-established" for Jesus to return so there can be a holy war. No I am not kidding. ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h... ) 79% of US Christians believe Jesus will have a second coming. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v... The second coming of Jesus is not for fun times. It's for war that k…

I think you might exaggerate the number of Christians that support Israel because it will hasten the end times. I'm sure they exist, but it is still illogical to think they can hasten or delay something that is inscribed into the stone of destiny. They have in addition in that case cherrypicked quotes from the bible, in particular ignoring the numerous passages where Jesus warns against predicting the end times as he will "come like a thief in the night" i.e. without a heads up.

Fundamentalists should at least stick to the literal scripture, but I'm not sure they will listen.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by caeril »

bad_user wrote: post #35
Ygg2 wrote: post #11

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Would it explain why it fell in US and EU, but not Asia?

Twitter's ad revenue plunged due to mismanagement and current economic conditions. Lest we forget, when Musk took over, the workforce dropped by 80%, which meant, first of all, that a lot of advertisers lost over night their contacts at Twitter. And while moderation may have stayed in place, Elon Musk also started unblocking far-right accounts and he can't keep his mouth shut. I can't speak for Asia, but multinationa…

> multinational brands (like Coca-Cola) are actively avoiding controversy

You think that multinational brands (like Adidas, Target, PepsiCo, and Anheuser-Busch) have been striving to avoid controversy lately? Really?

It's more correct to say that multinational brands avoid controversy in one political direction. They seem to have no qualms embracing it in the other.

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Post by yakireev »

zarzavat wrote: post #161
redox99 wrote: post #76

Moderation really varies a lot depending both on the language and the group being criticized. For example on twitch, Spanish streamers[1] say a lot of things that would get an English streamer canceled and/or banned for saying it. And for other languages I'm sure the gap is even bigger. The same with the group being criticized. Criticism against Russians is not moderated the same way as criticism against Jewish peopl…

> Criticism against Russians is not moderated the same way as criticism against Jewish people. People are not criticizing ethnic Russians. They are criticizing citizens of the Russian state, which includes people who aren’t ethnically Russian but doesn’t include people who are ethnically Russian in e.g. Ukraine. It’s arguable how much responsibility Russian citizens have for the present situation but it’s more than z…

> People are not criticizing ethnic Russians.

Some do, and are rarely denounced for that. Alas.

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Post by sfjailbird »

actuator wrote: post #154
sfjailbird wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Articles on Turkey or India are likely to be positive. They are Qatar's most strategic regional allies.

That is wildly inaccurate. If anything among the Middle East countries India is aligned more with UAE, which till recently Qatar was more at odds with

India is Qatar's biggest export market after China.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by ethanbond »

stareatgoats wrote: post #162
ethanbond wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because broad swaths of US Evangelicals believe that Israel needs to be "re-established" for Jesus to return so there can be a holy war. No I am not kidding. ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h... ) 79% of US Christians believe Jesus will have a second coming. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v... The second coming of Jesus is not for fun times. It's for war that k…

I think you might exaggerate the number of Christians that support Israel because it will hasten the end times. I'm sure they exist, but it is still illogical to think they can hasten or delay something that is inscribed into the stone of destiny. They have in addition in that case cherrypicked quotes from the bible, in particular ignoring the numerous passages where Jesus warns against predicting the end times as he…

Well there are plenty of other passages in the Bible that say the exact opposite, e.g. Amos 3:7 "Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets."

The whole thing is immune to logic, in part due to the obviously self-contradictory passages such as we've just found :)

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Post by trogdor »

arp242 wrote: post #108
dheavy wrote: post #92

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Lobbying? As a secular Jew in Western Europe, I've distanced myself from my religious community due to its insistence on tying my identity to Israel. Where I live, it's less taboo to critique Israel than in the U.S., but still tricky. Advocates of Israel's right-wing politics have blurred the line between criticizing Israel and anti-Semitism, an endeavor helped by actual anti-Semites. I've grown up with these support…

I was once "reported to ADL" for my anti-Semitism. My horrid crime that made me literally Hitler ? Disagreement if a tag should be named "jews" or "judaism" on the Politics Stack Exchange site. I made an off-hand comment that I renamed the tag from "jews" to "judaism" and the very first response was that I had been "reported to the ADL" (whether they actually did: who knows? Probably not). That such an incredibly bor…

One of my favorite books is “Kindly Inquisitors” by Jonathan Rauch. Highly recommended. Among its core messages is that accusations of bias are often used to stop discourse. The strongest response against a factual claim is that it’s wrong. Not that it’s racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, etc.

“If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.”

-Justice Louis Brandeis

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by colpabar »

tyingq wrote: post #86
throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

I mean it boils down to oil and presence/influence in areas close to the oil.

It sucks that so many people will say that the US involvement in the middle east was mainly about oil but that logic never gets applied to israel's (illegal) expansion and the implicit US support for it. There is SO much oil there. Oh well, I guess it's more fun to blame the evangelicals and ignore the insane profit motive.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by 29athrowaway »

stareatgoats wrote: post #160

This makes me think that the reason I was thrown out of Facebook is because I followed some Palestinian pages there. Not because I necessarily a supporter of the whole "Palestinian cause", because I think the whole thing is honestly a mess perpetrated by forces with ulterior motives on both sides. But I like to keep informed. I never got an explanation from fb at the time, but now when I try to log in it states a rea…

Coca-Cola is a dangerous organization, polluting with plastic bottles and giving people diabetes.

They have known this for a while they do nothing about it.

Should Coca-Cola and its followers also be banned?

Who decides where the line of "dangerous" is drawn?

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Post by 0max »

ethanbond wrote: post #156
stareatgoats wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are fans of going to heaven I can sympathize, heaven seems at least better than the other place. What I don't understand is how eschatological (which are essentially fatalistic) beliefs translate into support for Israel. In a world governed by fate it doesn't matter what you do, it's all predetermined anyway. Which seems to align more with the core Christian teachings: we should not judge (because no-one is es…

Because broad swaths of US Evangelicals believe that Israel needs to be "re-established" for Jesus to return so there can be a holy war. No I am not kidding. ( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/h... ) 79% of US Christians believe Jesus will have a second coming. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/04/09/christians-v... The second coming of Jesus is not for fun times. It's for war that k…

Christian Nationalism is the greatest threat to the continuity of the United States
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