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New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Post by canadiantim »

beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

Not so. If it turns out the CIA helped orchestrate it; for example, that would have significant ramifications today

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acdha wrote: post #144
throw_m239339 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hypothetical: They checked with an agent who is deep / high up in some foreign agency and he said "wasnt us." that agent retired but helped recruit others. those may have retired and helped recruit others. > Just that one connection in a file, "we asked agent $name and he said $agency knew nothing" might be justifiable to keep secret if theres a connection to someone still active. The names of the agents would be r…

It’s not just names but also things like places, times, methods of communication, etc. which could be use to narrow things down. If there was a high-level KGB officer whose cooperation hadn’t previously been recognized they don’t want to inspire new investigation into what else that person or their handlers did.

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Post by vintermann »

beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

There's plenty of room for it to have been orchestrated by political enemies even if Lee Harvey Oswald fired all the bullets.

> The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then.

Knowing the truth of historical matters seems like the first step in finding out if it really is.

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Post by logicchains »

lapcat wrote: post #40
empath-nirvana wrote: post #27

The problem with conversations about this topic and similar topics (9/11) is that almost no-one who cares about the topic deeply enough to have an argument about it online is interested because they're just super into ballistics and forensics and don't care about the political implications. It's all motivated reasoning because they don't like the _implications_ of the official story for whatever reason (or, alternati…

> Probably if you're about to comment on this post, you've got some motivated reasoning behind it that has nothing to do with finding out what really happened. I'm not sure that's true in this case. I remember 9/11, but I wasn't even born yet when the Kennedy assassination happened. I doubt that many people under age 70 remember that personally. It doesn't really have emotional salience for most people now. For me, i…

>the possible players involved are no longer relevant either.

If the conspiracy was on the part of the spy agencies, as claimed, then the agencies involved are absolutely still relevant. If the CIA or whatever back then was willing to kill someone because he threatened to reduce their power, given the intelligence agencies have even more power now than they did back then there's no reason to think they wouldn't do it again if threatened.

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Post by PaulRobinson »

beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

Oh, well let's not bother asking questions then. I sure am glad we get to shut down all those archaeology departments and use the space for something else now we have all agreed we should only be curious about things that have a tangible bearing on modern society!

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Post by akira2501 »

xyzelement wrote: post #118

Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

The problem is, the Secret Service could see that too, and Dallas wasn't exactly a "friendly" city. The decision to take such a route in a vehicle without cover or without securing the building remains unexplained.

So, yea, the depository is a perfect location to shoot onto that route. This in and of itself is a massive problem.

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Post by dizhn »

jjoonathan wrote: post #120
xyzelement wrote: post #118

Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

Similar: recent PR photos made it "click" for me that modern stealthy aircraft look exactly like "flying saucer" UFOs from the front. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/b-21-stealth-bomber-...

That's exactly why they make them look like flying saucers. Plausible deniability.

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Post by akira2501 »

beowulfey wrote: post #148

At this point the effects of the JFK assassination are so far back in history that new knowledge of possibly real and alternative sequences of events should have little impact on society as it is now. Let’s say it was orchestrated by political enemies—what effect would this have on things today? The state of US government is so dramatically different from back then. This kind of discussion is really only interesting…

> should have little impact on society as it is now

If a US clandestine institution actually did this, and that institution still exists, then the news should have _massive_ impact on society as it is now. If anyone still involved is living, or if anyone involved with a cover up is currently employed, we have should expect unusually massive impacts.

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