As a SWE/SRE, how does Kagi compare in quality of results (i.e. finding you the answer easily) vs. DuckDuckGo and Google?
Kagi Small Web
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#162Vlad from Kagi here, thanks for posting. The RSS feed unexpectedly broke (edit: the feed is back up! [3]) just as we published the blog post, in the true spirt of "small web" :) Should be up in 30 minutes which will enable the site to function too (it uses the same feed). This has been a personal pet project of mine and I spent considerable time getting my hands dirty with the code, as the team was busy with other in…
Isn't this more likely to have been inspired by marginalia* than a personal blogs thread? Doesn't seem to have the same results from the Apple Watch example, but it's what immediately came to mind for me when I read this post's title. * https://search.marginalia.nu , commonly mentioned on HN https://hn.algolia.com/?query=marginalia
It could be more likely yet not actually true, at the same time.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rooting for small web does not mean one needs to be against other technology. For example Kagi uses Google and even hosts on GCP - I think Google's technology and people are great, it is just the business model that is rotten and contributes to the deterioration of the web. And interestingly enough, at least Discord (and to some extent Twitter) are trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your…
Are you on Mastodon or on the fediverse btw? Any plan for Kagi to have an account there? (not really required, I don’t think that companies should necessarly be on social networks, that’s mostly a waste of time)
Discussion started here : https://mamot.fr/@ploum/111028702144600436
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#164Kagi is worth every penny. Been using it for 6 months as my primary search engine. I think I have used the Google !g 10 or so times in that period maybe?
To give a slightly less positive perspective: I trialed Kagi for a few weeks, and while I liked the features and their business model, its search results are no better than from my own Searx instance. Kagi essentially does the same thing as Searx: anonymized API calls to 3rd party search engines. It's just packaged in a friendlier UI, but the experience is not far off. Plus, Searx supports many more search engines, a…
Kagi pays for their 3rd party access of Bing and Google results, unlike Searx
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#165I would love to have my website added to the list because I block all crawlers in my robots.txt, but it looks like I’m not allowed to submit my own website. Is there a way to go about having it added? It would be great to be part of kagi search results but don’t want to be scraped by Google, ChatGPT, or the next group, so I found it easiest to block everything.
This is their own search index which is then enriched by licensed results in kagi: https://teclis.com/suggest.html
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#166And yet in the article they reference their Discord channel and Twitter sigh
They also mentioned their Microsoft GitHub forge to file issues. They really want you to create proprietary accounts to interact with them. You’d think a small web initiative would be led with small, decentralized/federated, libre software choices.
They use a flarum instance for feedback: https://kagifeedback.org/
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#167Kagi is worth every penny. Been using it for 6 months as my primary search engine. I think I have used the Google !g 10 or so times in that period maybe?
The ability to block SEO garbage sites like GeeksForGeeks and not filling the first 3-5 results with ads is worth it alone. Not to mention the ability to boost certain sites results over others on a personalized level. Unfortunately for me, I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdow…
I don't understand the pricing. (Well, I do understand, I understand that it's the same anti-consumer gimmick as gym memberships.)
On the $5 tier it's 1.7 cents per search for the first 300, then 1.5 cents after that. As expected I blew past the 300 before the month was out and am currently sitting at a total of almost $9 for this month and there are still 3 more days to go, and this includes being away for labor day weekend and only using my phone (without kagi) for a couple days, and this is after populating and using a bunch of bookmarks specifically to cater to the fact that I now pay for searches. And this is only my laptop. I have not used kagi on my phone or anything else yet.
I haven't used bookmarks in 20 years and don't particularly want to. I normally don't even have the toolbar visible but now I had to un-hide it and add that clutter back to my browser.
So I'm both paying money and contorting my usage pattern.
I guess now that the first month is about done, I can say it looks like I should go up to the $10 plan, where the searches are only 1 cent, but only for the first 1000, and only if I actually use all 1000! If I pay $10 and only do 250 searches that month, then they weren't 1 cent were they?
As much as I like it, I don't know if I'm going to keep it.
I will not pay $10 or $25 just to have it sitting there available "in case", and I apparently will at least some times (who knows how often? every month? 3 out of 12?) will blow past the $5 an end up paying $10 anyway.
If I complicate my usage to cater to kagi so that my default is ddg and just invoke kagi sometimes when I feel like it would help, then I'll probably forget it exists most of the time and do about 10 per month and pay 50 cents each. Probably only one or two months of that and I'll just decide it's not worth $5 for a handful of searches and just cancel it.
The only way it will be useful for me is if it can just be the default search that I don't have to worry about.
They should just figure out whatever the fair per search price is and bill that. The stupid tiers are probably going to drive me off.
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#168getting tired of hearing about the old web. and still not seeing anything that resembles it. everything still needs js. everything still needs cloudflare bypasses if you view it on tor. this includes whatever cool hacker site you think you have because i almost never see these. i have had a site with just plain html for 10 years and it has no nonsense just content, you can do this too, it doesnt need a movement that…
I think you’re misunderstanding and confusing “old web” with “small web”.
there is no confusion here thanks for your concern.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't your history already fill in this? Why the need to bookmark?
Not everyone uses Firefox. On Chrome I think it is optimized so it always askes Google first. Otherwise how would Google know all the pages you visit, and especially the ones you visit most?
On every browser I've used, results from history have been the first to autofill, but maybe it depends on OS or settings?
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ability to block SEO garbage sites like GeeksForGeeks and not filling the first 3-5 results with ads is worth it alone. Not to mention the ability to boost certain sites results over others on a personalized level. Unfortunately for me, I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdow…
> I end up regularly going over the "Pro" tier of searches a month (partially because I accidentally search all the time, but also I'm heavy search-engine user) is a bit of a letdown. I hadn't considered this aspect of Kagi yet. I'm not a subscriber at this point, but I am strongly considering it. But I use search instead of typing domain names directly to avoid the typo phishing style attacks. I wonder how much "art…
I haven't used bookmarks or even had the toolbar visible in 20 years, but only because of kagi I now had to add a bookmarks toolbar back, populate it, and consciously remember to use it for anything that it has, and only use the address bar for things it doesn't have.
This is not the worst thing in the world, but it is annoying to me and not a life upgrade.
Maybe the search results are better enough to make it worth it (on top of also paying money), or maybe not. I'm still determining that, but it's question and not a slam dunk.