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On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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My knowledge of him comes primarily from news articles and the Citizen Four documentary (which I highly recommend) but my perception is that whatever his intentions were I'm amazed at how smartly he did everything. He literally fought the US government and got the best case scenario anyone can practically hope for which is that he's alive and not in Guantanamo.

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Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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I will tell you that three letter agencies in the US have a proven and undeniable track record of lying incessantly and basically nothing that comes from them can be trusted.

This report is produced by the U.S. House of Representatives- not a 3-letter agency.

Based on information from…

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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This is true; and I find it hard to understand. I mean, I can understand Zelensky talking it down; as the public face of Ukraine's government, I assume everything he says is propaganda of some kind (whether or not it's true). But back in December, the satellite photos were showing the huge build-up of troops and armour on Ukraine's border. I didn't believe it was just an "exercise", nor did I believe it was sabre-rat…

> This is true; and I find it hard to understand. Russia actually invading Ukraine full-on was the most irrational and self-destructive thing Putin could've done. By all measures it was and still is a terrible idea. Only if you thought Putin was a madman you could've predicted it but before the invasion that wasn't his reputation at all IMO. I think he was seen as relatively pragmatic and rational (for a thug).

I agree that it looked like a crazy thing to do. But I'm not one of those who reaches for the word "madman" when someone does something that seems to me to be irrational.

With the benefit of hindsight, it doesn't seem so irrational to me now.

* Russia was under sanctions for the invasion of Crimea; the central bank had built up a huge stock of foreign currency, but it was only going to diminish with time.

* The Russian economy was at best stagnant, and largely powered by resource extraction.

* Ukraine was an impediment to land-traffic to Crimea (hence the need to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait), and also controlled the water supply.

* Ukraine was tooling-up.

For those reasons, delaying the invasion would have resulted in worse outcomes, the longer the delay.

As far as the justification for invading at all, you can take your pick from Russian fear of having a full NATO member on his Western border, or dreams of a restored Russian empire. I think both justifications are crazy, but dreams of a restored imperial glory are common among Russian nationalists. They can't all be madmen.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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ED25519 is not a NIST curve.

And Ed25519 is not supported by major CAs.

Oh, major CAs. GP spoke of Ed25519 not being useable on "the big tech internet", but didn't mention certificates or certificate authorities.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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To put more context in this: movies made with military equipment need special approval by the us military, and they will not generally approve “unpatriotic” movies and blacklist studios who do make movies they disapprove of… from Defense dot gov: “ The Defense Department has a long-standing relationship with Hollywood. In fact, it’s been working with filmmakers for nearly 100 years with a goal that’s two-fold: to acc…

If this is information anyone can get by flying a drone around military equipment or buying old equipment offered for sale, this seems like a startling suppression of first amendment rights

How so? Hollywood wants to make money. And most Hollywood decision makers want to brag about having Important Friends in High Places (like the DoD). Producing anti-war movies (or otherwise making the DoD look bad) would get them ~nothing that they really want.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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This report is produced by the U.S. House of Representatives- not a 3-letter agency.

Based on information from…

So you are claiming that the NSA (at all levels) lied to the House Intel committee? That's a big claim, you should back it up with some evidence. Which part of the report is not accurate?

Have you read the report?

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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How often does the US put military equipment on the borders of countries like Russia and China without invading? All the time

What are you talking about? Can you provide one example of the US doing a buildup on the Russian or Chinese border that was even a quarter the size of the Russian buildup ahead of their full-scale invasion?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1294271/us-troops-europe...

    Germany 35k
    Italy   12k
    UK      10k
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    Total   57k

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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The article makes the case that Snowden was NOT a whistleblower: “ "I want to emphasize this: my active searching out of NSA abuses began not with the copying of documents, but with the reading of them. My initial intention was just to confirm the suspicions that I'd first had back in 2009 in Tokyo. Three years later I was determined to find out if an American system of mass surveillance existed and, if it did, how i…

A lot of people refer to him as a whistleblower because he exposed what the NSA was doing. A lot of people consider this a public good. Your definition of whisleblower seems to be closer to a government bureaucrat's definition. I'm curious why you brought that up?

> I'm curious why you brought that up?

It’s a direct quote from the article.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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I urge everyone interested to read the intel report and tell me what about it is false or inaccurate. https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/snowden_report_... https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hpsci_snowden_r... > “The Committee further found no evidence that Snowden attempted to communicate concerns about the legality or morality of intelligence activities to any officials, senior or otherwise, dur…

Why would he have any faith that internal "whistleblowing" would do anything but paint a target on himself? I certainly wouldn't. As for "he didn't whistleblow properly!" I don't really give a damn how the government says we're "supposed" to inform the public of their misdeeds

If a police officer leaked evidence of widespread misconduct to the press (as has happened several times), would he also be implied to be an enemy agent for not going through the totally trustworthy and effective internal complaints process instead?

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Based on information from…

So you are claiming that the NSA (at all levels) lied to the House Intel committee? That's a big claim, you should back it up with some evidence. Which part of the report is not accurate? Have you read the report?

You’re missing the point. The NSA has an undeniable track record of illegal and dishonest activity that is easily googled. Nothing has systemically changed since those actions and until it does there’s no reason to place confidence in anything they say
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