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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

wakeupcall wrote: post #119
deadlyllama wrote: post #101

I'm very happy with my Glove80. I started with a prototype 3D printed model last year: the creators are friends of mine, and I wrote the LED status display code for them. I also dropped the prototype down a flight of concrete stairs (sorry! It still works though). I now have a production model with the white clicky keyswitches. Ultra happy with it. I've been using Kinesis Advantage2s for a shade over two decades - th…

As a general question to anybody that used the Kinesis Advantage and switched to the Glove80: how's the thumb cluster? The double-length keys for bk/delete/enter/space allows a lot of vertical travel freedom on the hand. Instead of flexing the fingers I can just move the whole hand down and hit the lower row _very_ comfortably while not having to worry about the thumb at all. I've mocked a few pieces of paper to adva…

If you the keys to be higher or closer, you can mod the Glove80 with this: https://reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/s/QpHIgtydLK

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by donatj »

I am in my late thirties and have been developing arthritis in my hands for almost ten years now. I have tried a lot of different ergonomic keyboards including the aforementioned Kinesis Advantage. I was extra hopeful for it, but even after getting through the rather intensive learning process I didn’t find it helped. If anything I think aggravated the problem.

I found myself having to repeatedly bend and unbend my individual fingers to reach keys. This action is particularly painful for me. On a standard keyboard I can maintain roughly continuous finger curl and move my entire arm at the shoulders only slightly extending the finger I wish to use.

I remain largely unconvinced of the benefits of welled keyboards, since they do seem to increase overall wear on individual fingers.

The solution I found that has actually helped the most is simply using a keyboard with the lowest pressure mushiest rubber domes. For me that has been a keyboard I already owned, a Sun Type 7

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by webkike »

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #147
xps wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that any layout is supported and that it comes with the QWERTY layout by default.

You're right. It is qwerty but the columnar is what I meant would be a big obstacle

Ortholinear is what you are referring to and it is absolutely worth it to learn. Staggered keyboards don’t make sense anymore - the originally reason keys were staggered was because the bars could not physically overlap - and it is far more natural to type only moving each finger along two axis

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by matthewtse »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #14
matthewtse wrote: post #2

I haven't been following ergonomic keyboards for awhile, but went pretty deep a few years ago back when the Dactyl Manuform and Kinesis were the only names in town. So seeing the Glove80, I was excited to see a new "mass-manufactured" entrant in the space, since dactyl manuforms have to be 3d-printed and handwired, thus meaning they're hard to come by and quite expensive. The glove80 looks interesting, however at $40…

Dactyl thumb cluster is not good. Glove80 nailed it and the community is very supportive.

I'm pretty happy with mine, looks like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/p282ee... I like how the thumb buttons splay across the way you rotate the thumb, so you don't need to stretch/contract the thumb, which is awkward.

What do you like about your Glove80 thumb cluster?

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by matthewtse »

microtonal wrote: post #39
matthewtse wrote: post #2

I haven't been following ergonomic keyboards for awhile, but went pretty deep a few years ago back when the Dactyl Manuform and Kinesis were the only names in town. So seeing the Glove80, I was excited to see a new "mass-manufactured" entrant in the space, since dactyl manuforms have to be 3d-printed and handwired, thus meaning they're hard to come by and quite expensive. The glove80 looks interesting, however at $40…

I think one of the issues is that the key wells need to hand soldered, which increases the cost per unit. You can find well-priced Glove80s sometimes. I was particularly lucky and found one for 150 Euro. But for the other, the 360 Euro was well spent! At any rate, people spend thousands on a MacBook, but for a product that probably lasts longer and might save your job long-term, we suddenly practice extreme austerity…

I hand-wired and hand-soldered two of them myself (back before you could buy them as easily). I was hoping flexible PCBs (https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/qbw7i4/o...) would make the hand-wiring part much less labor intensive.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wahnfrieden »

matthewtse wrote: post #164
wahnfrieden wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dactyl thumb cluster is not good. Glove80 nailed it and the community is very supportive.

I'm pretty happy with mine, looks like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/p282ee... I like how the thumb buttons splay across the way you rotate the thumb, so you don't need to stretch/contract the thumb, which is awkward. What do you like about your Glove80 thumb cluster?

My thumb rests at close to neutral position on Glove80 as well, at least compared with Advantage. I like that I can press thumb keys more by moving my arm slightly without having to contract my thumb tendons whereas Dactyl is more of a claw grip.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wnolens »

d5ve wrote: post #90

I use a Glove80 keyboard, and even after 4 months I'm not back to my normal typing speed! This has cost me a fair bit of productivity, and was stressful at times. Almost feeling like I'd suffered a bit of brain damage, where I could picture what I wanted to do, but be unable to type it out. Having the modifier keys in the thumb cluster feels a lot less awkward than using my left-hand little finger at odd angles. And…

> I think I would have been better served by a regular qwerty, not columnar, split keyboard

I recc the ultimate hacking keyboard (UHK). It's as you describe, and I love it.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wnolens »

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #135

I’ve haven’t tried the glove80 but suspect I won’t like it because it doesn’t do QWERTY and the columnar layout may not work for me. However over the years I’ve purchased many ergo kbs: ergo dox, kinesis and variants, and I just could not get into any of those. Until I got the UHK (Ultimate Hacking Keyboard) , and I absolutely love it. It retains the QWERTY + regular (staggered?) layout, has split/angled halves, and…

Same, love my UHK. The mod-layer on my thumb has given me so much.

My only gripes are the tenting legs sometimes close when I shift the keyb around on my desk. And it's not wireless (I don't have time to mod).

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by ComputerGuru »

Reminder that if you have any sort of finger or wrist pain, arthritis, RSI, etc the simplest fix you can make is to switch to a better keyboard layout like Dvorak. QWERTY was made to be unergonomic by design and with full intent of making your fingers travel further to type out common words to avoid adjacent keys from sticking if struck in close temporal proximity due to manufacturing limitations of the time.

I switch to Dvorak twenty years ago because I wrongly believed it would make me more productive (as if programming is limited by how fast you can type!) but stayed for the ergonomics. I should, by all rights, have terrible RSI due to how I abused my poor upper extremities in my youth but through the mercy of the lord and thanks to a miserable month or so of pecking at letters like a computer illiterate individual until I learned where the (unlabeled) Dvorak keys were, I have no real issues. On days where arthritis kicks in, typing isn’t an undue discomfort thanks to the sane layout of the keys.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by ghostpepper »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #169

Reminder that if you have any sort of finger or wrist pain, arthritis, RSI, etc the simplest fix you can make is to switch to a better keyboard layout like Dvorak. QWERTY was made to be unergonomic by design and with full intent of making your fingers travel further to type out common words to avoid adjacent keys from sticking if struck in close temporal proximity due to manufacturing limitations of the time. I switc…

I was under the impression that the story about QWERTY being designed to slow typists down has been shown to be a myth

eg. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/the-l...

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