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Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Post by gregopet »

gadders wrote: post #84
renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

The people I feel for are the ones that change countries and mistake a deadly lookalike for what is an edible mushroom in their country. Google is letting me down but I believe something like this happened to a Vietnamese family in the UK.

Same thing happened in Slovenia to some illegal migrants who tried to live off the land while making their way further into Europe: they picked up mushrooms that looked a lot like a safe species in their home country but was in fact highly poisonous. I believe at least some died.

The general rule here is that you only ever pick mushroom species somebody has thoroughly introduced you to - books and "I think we ate those at our friends house the other day" are considered quite reckless.

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Post by ben_w »

demetrius wrote: post #152
ben_w wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given approximately everyone's heard of it, and warnings about it, but also that I don't personally know anyone who tells me that they personally do this, my guess is in the order of 1% of the population. Might be more, might be less. 1% of Russia would be 1.5 million (and given this thread, 412k for Ukraine).

1%?! According to the 2014 survey https://fom.ru/Obraz-zhizni/11711 , 75% Russians have ever went to pick up mushrooms, and 40% have done it in the last year before the survey. 8% personally know people who suffered from mushroom poisoning. This corresponds to my expectations: I'm from a neighbouring country, Belarus, and basically almost everyone around me has been picking up mushrooms. That's not just a culinary ex…

Wow, OK, I'm surprised by those numbers.

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Post by ncann »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #50
qaq wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's more a question of proximity of events. Falling out of a window is not really suspicious. Falling out of a window while being on a crytical path for money laundering investigation into money laundering of Putin's inner circle ...

Falling out a window is pretty much suspicious unless you're trying to demonstrate how safe the window is (they are, but not that safe)

Obligatory story about Garry Hoy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Garry_Hoy

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Post by RetroTechie »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #150
renegade-otter wrote: post #35

This is not really suspicious. I regularly went foraging for shrooms in Ukraine with my gram gram, but I was not allowed to pick anything, of course. It requires expertise. In that part of the world, this is very common, and so are the cases of people poisoning themselves because they think they are good at it. If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they…

Across the whole world, 100 people die of mushroom poisoning each year [0]. You don't think it's suspicious that this man, who was well educated and presumably experienced in mushroom foraging, happened to die of it within weeks of the failure of Russia's moon lander? After all the other poisonings and baroque assassination methods used on so many others who had troubled or embarrassed Putin's regime? [0] https://www…

> baroque assassination methods

It's gravity!

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Post by i8comments »

lost_tourist wrote: post #147
serf wrote: post #45

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>If you can't relate - think of all the "gun people" who think they are experts on gun safety and then they end up shooting themselves by accident. eating a poisonous mushroom seems way easier. Less steps, less oversight, a calmer activity that doesn't provoke a crowd response. but , in theory, that would also be exactly the alibi you'd want for a believable story: "gun nut shoots himself to death by accident" when y…

I think people just like to slip those political jabs in wherever they can to try to take a poke at those of use who think the 2nd amendment has a place in a free society. I've cleaned my guns hundreds of times over the past couple of decades and never been close to being shot. Not only that, but I keep one with me most times when I'm out and about (where allowed by law). It's a few standard safety rules to those who…

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Post by Kretinsky »

Read the article, he has been sick for two weeks before dying. This looks a lot like regular shroom poisoning, he wasn't too young either, and I guess that, at >70 years old in Russia, you start to be more vulnerable.

I guess that political murder could be an easy explanation, in which case it's really, really subtle, which - huh - isn't really what the FSB is known for ?

Re: Top Russian rocket scientist dies from ‘mushroom poisoning’

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Post by Kretinsky »

scotty79 wrote: post #61
hunson_abadeer wrote: post #43

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It is not common at all. You have maybe several people dying every year, which is in the "hit by lightning" territory. It's very well-publicized whenever it happens, which probably helps keep the numbers low. But this is a very unusual way to die.

It's like few cases per season per million people eating wild shrooms.

Just like for road accidents, death is a wrong measure, as it really depends on your health, i.e a 20 years forager will survive whereas an 80 years old one would die. Many mushrooms are liver-toxic, so if you already have hepatitis (very common in Russia), you're probably more prone to die from a poisonous one.

Intoxication leading to hospitalization is a better measure.

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Post by riku_iki »

tscherno wrote: post #159
javajosh wrote: post #144

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Chomsky a Russian apologist? Citation needed.

https://www.e-flux.com/notes/470005/open-letter-to-noam-chom...

I don't think he is apologist in sense that he is justifying Russia's actions, but his point is that Russia is too large force for Ukraine to fight without receiving devastating damage, and in his view Ukraine should've considered negotiating peace deal and give up some territories.
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