Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell • Hacker News Board

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by dekhn » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

jvolkman wrote: post #107

brianshaler wrote: post #25

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For me it's when they stopped showing results that include your keywords and instead a random smattering of anything broadly related to the topic being searched for.

You can use quotes around keywords. https://blog.google/products/search/how-were-improving-searc...

even quotes don't work 100% of the time- if there is strong signal to show another result, it will be shown even if it isn't a quote-match. Previous user clicks are the top ranking signal.

IIUC "verbatim mode" is supposed to do something like this. https://search.googleblog.com/2011/11/search-using-your-term...

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by master_crab » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 7:02 PM UTC

wmf wrote: post #154

panarky wrote: post #146

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I'm experiencing a bizarre sense of unreality reading comments on a story about Amazon killing EC2-Classic, where the first line is "Retiring services isn’t something we do", while having just read yet another email from Amazon warning me about all my files stored in the defunct Amazon Drive, and somehow 90% of the discussion is about a completely different company discontinuing products.

AWS is pretty separate from consumer Amazon.

Yup was going to say. AWS treats its customers a bit differently than retail Amazon. The latter cuts services faster than Google.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by dredmorbius » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 7:07 PM UTC

supazek wrote: post #59

anonymoushn wrote: post #47

I was overbilled for this service in 2011 and Amazon insists to this day that they do not have records about this even if I forward them the emails :)

I setup an AWS account in college before I had ever worked and dealt with enterprise security. Didn’t use the account for anything. No 2FA and a weak password and all of a sudden I have a $15,000 bill from a crypto mining script. Worked with Amazon, got everything cleaned up, turned on 2FA and was only charged $100. Pretty generous considering it was entirely my fault

Someone else's fraud isn't your fault.

Amazon can damned well run password strength / compromise tests and validations.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by jdboyd » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 7:16 PM UTC

panarky wrote: post #146

rgoulter wrote: post #113

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https://goomics.net/50/

I'm experiencing a bizarre sense of unreality reading comments on a story about Amazon killing EC2-Classic, where the first line is "Retiring services isn’t something we do", while having just read yet another email from Amazon warning me about all my files stored in the defunct Amazon Drive, and somehow 90% of the discussion is about a completely different company discontinuing products.

If I'm not mistaken, Amazon Drive is not part of AWS's services. Certainly Amazon's consumer cloud services have had some big changes over time.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by xxpor » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 7:51 PM UTC

aranchelk wrote: post #128

Personally I wish they would have just bit the bullet and continued Classic with IPv6. Ironically I think post-classic was a regression — it looks a lot more like the infrastructure we had to deal with pre-cloud. My new stuff is mostly on Cloudflare, so now I’m really not thinking about subnets, VPCs, etc.

It turns out the way to grow the ec2 business is to get existing companies into the cloud - not just brand new startups. They all have to integrate with on prem networks, which necessitates VPC.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by flir » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 8:28 PM UTC

freeAgent wrote: post #157

flir wrote: post #123

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Still use it - I even read HN via RSS - but I've never found a tool with the critical mass of users you need to show trending content the way GR did.

That's true. I use Newsblur. It has social features, but the community is so small and the social aspect is so limited that it has little value. With that said, the people who engage with it tend to be authentic users interested in high-quality content and respectful discussion. Discovery of other users is terrible, though. You basically have to stumble upon them if they're interacting with an article already in your…

theoldreader, same problem.

Idle musing 1: A mechanism for all these small readers to federate their trending content? Out of many comes one?

Idle musing 2: These tools were mostly written a decade ago. It might be possible, with the current state of the art, to extract a more useful signal out of a smaller pool of users.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by zbrozek » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 8:37 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #161

jvolkman wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use quotes around keywords. https://blog.google/products/search/how-were-improving-searc...

even quotes don't work 100% of the time- if there is strong signal to show another result, it will be shown even if it isn't a quote-match. Previous user clicks are the top ranking signal. IIUC "verbatim mode" is supposed to do something like this. https://search.googleblog.com/2011/11/search-using-your-term...

When I use Google search-which is rare these days-I exclusively use verbatim mode.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by jonas21 » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 8:53 PM UTC

earthboundkid wrote: post #86

flir wrote: post #8

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Google Reader. Never forget.

I am fucking pissed at how Google created tons of make work for me by killing old Universal Analytics and replacing it with an inferior product. OTOH, I successfully skipped the whole AMP saga because I could tell from the start that it was bullshit.

Universal Analytics used third-party cookies. Support for them has been removed from all major browsers due to privacy issues.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 9:11 PM UTC

benterix wrote: post #72

> If you had launched an instance in 2006, an m1.small, you would have gotten a virtual CPU the equivalent of a 1.7 GHz Xeon processor with 1.75 GB of RAM, 160 GB of local disk, and 250 Mb/second of network bandwidth. And it would have cost just $0.10 per clocked hour. > It’s quite incredible where cloud computing has gone since then, with a P3dn.24xlarge providing 100 Gbps of network throughput, 96 vCPUs, 8 NVIDIA v…

I really wish pricing pages included both per-hour and per-month (or per-30-days) pricing.

Re: Farewell EC2-Classic, it’s been swell

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Fri, Sep 01, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #51

motoboi wrote: post #15

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The had to be restarted, but not only that, has to have their networks reconfigured. But they gave people YEARS to do that, and tracked down every user to help them if necessary.

> has to have their networks reconfigured. I don't see why every user couldn't be auto-created a virtual network with the same 10.x.x.x IP addresses as their original machine had - and therefore there is no need to do any reconfiguration on the users side.

Because there's more than just the local IP address to worry about.

Remember, all of EC2 Classic was in a single /8 of private IPs. You could communicate with EC2 instances in another account via their private IP address.

If you have two instances in different accounts that need to communicate, upgrading from EC2 Classic to VPC couldn't be done automatically.