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Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by teddyh »

alex7734 wrote: post #143
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not quite it. The US doesn't, in general, give any extra rights or protections to its people without a bit of force, and then one is lucky. Hence, no real consumer protection (which would include this). No signing of a thing giving rights for children, and so on. The rights folks legally have were grand enough 200 years ago, but have become substandard over time with little upgrading.

It wasn't that long ago when Microsoft got sued (in the US) for not allowing people to uninstall and replace Internet Explorer. Something has changed since then that has made US anti-trust much "lazier".

As I recall, there was an election during the trial, where Bill Clinton was replaced by George Bush, whose administration was not as keen to prosecute monopolists.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by dijit »

smoldesu wrote: post #153
dijit wrote: post #146

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Situation is not better on the desktop, it's just ironically not as annoying because of the insane dominance of Windows.

It's not better anywhere. That's the problem, everything is a game of compromise and when you try to fix things for yourself a big company gives you the stink-eye. The web is the last place left where developers feel they have freedom, which should make us all feel very sad considering they run a whole-ass computer that they effectively ignore because of arbitrary restrictions.

> The web is the last place left where developers feel they have freedom

Come on, we have excellent open computing platforms; it's just not where the money is right now.

Nobody can see passed their nose for profits though so we end up with lowest common denominator everything: which forces you to run a whole code interpreter on everything.

Apple said "no, you can't" and that's where the money is, so you had (and continue to have) a choice and your business chooses to use it.

So, you have to play by those rules.

I mean, I'm not taking a stand here; despite people believing that I'm defending apple. You don't get the sit around though and reap the benefits of the system they built (and developers helped build) while simultaneously trying to tear it down.

They set the rules, you all agreed to play by them; so why are we complaining?

If you actually care you would make programs on one of the many open standards platforms which in turn would turn them into more attractive platforms as the ecosystem improved.

But nobody does, everyone just wants the money now.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by nottorp »

usimi wrote: post #142
tomhallett wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone texts me an address, the only option is “Open in Maps” which is for Apple Maps, when I’d clearly prefer Google Maps. When I click on an address in FB Messenger, I get the “open in google maps or Apple Maps” prompt, but choosing Google Maps just takes me to the Google Maps App Store page, even though I have the app installed and updated. If there is a solution to this problem (where my attempts failed for…

There’s no solution here and it’s not Apple’s fault either. This is due to the way Facebook Messenger chooses to open Google Maps via URL to the App Store Page instead of checking if Google Maps is installed, then opening with a Google Maps URL scheme registered by the app.

I was just wondering where that happens, since I'm being asked what to open the location with every time. Funny enough, I get most of them over whatsapp which is also owned by Facebook.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by classified »

dantyti wrote: post #157
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #90

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Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

Oh, they do. On my iPhone, I've: -changed the 'default browser' -'uninstalled' Safari Yet, whenever I want to search for a highlighted word, it opens Safari. This is such an absurd situation where I am browsing a site and want to do a search for something I just read and, instead of just opening a new tab or replacing the active tab with a web search, it opens a different browser app I do not want to use. This is jus…

All "non-Safari" browsers are still just different skins on WebKit anyway.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by kypro »

krzyk wrote: post #105
kypro wrote: post #77

Wonder how much this regulation cost to draft, pass, and implement? Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? I mean does any normal person even care about this? Eg, not people on HN with Macbook Pros – your average Windows user. At the end of the day Windows does loads of stuff I don't like. That's why I don't use Windows anymore. Like with most things the EU regulates this just isn't…

Why having a choice is something bad?

It's not. Obviously.

You're either misunderstanding or purposefully misrepresenting my point. Happy to clarify my position if it's a misunderstanding.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by adamas »

dantyti wrote: post #157
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

Oh, they do. On my iPhone, I've: -changed the 'default browser' -'uninstalled' Safari Yet, whenever I want to search for a highlighted word, it opens Safari. This is such an absurd situation where I am browsing a site and want to do a search for something I just read and, instead of just opening a new tab or replacing the active tab with a web search, it opens a different browser app I do not want to use. This is jus…

That's not the behaviour I'm seeing, might be a bug on your phone's end.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by fsflover »

foobarbecue wrote: post #109

Every time I visit my parents, I find they've reverted to using Edge and don't know why. Despite my best efforts, they don't seem to have the will or technical ability to resist M$ manipulation. It's frustrating.

I installed Linux for my relatives and they never have this problem (or any other problem!).

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by ndngmfksk »

kypro wrote: post #154
iSnow wrote: post #95

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>Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. Probably, MS will try to backtrack and violate regulations at some point so it will pay for itself too. I'll never get the US masochism where interference by regulators to defend the end-user is somehow se…

> Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. But this never ends. Every week there's a new article here about how the EU is forcing electronics makers implement their preferred charger ports, or displaying cookie notices to EU visitors, or making phone batteries replaceable. It's endless crap that adds drag to businesses…

Microsoft want to advertise to users because it makes them money. That money will come from the pockets of the people you're describing, and not as a fraction of their income as with many taxes.
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